[DEV ????] Fatigue, sigh..

Imo, gathering fatigue should be removed. Why can crafters craft all day without fatigue, while miners/botanists/fishers gets fatigued after 60 nodes.

That isn't really fair, and especially with the insane achievement for gathering. This fatigue drives me crazy :(

i would be surprissed if you are getting fatigue after 60 nodes, they increased the time before you hit the fatigue cap now, I can gain several levels and not hit that level now.

The fatigue point is at least at 200 nodes, if not higher.

Scratch that, I'm thinking gathers, not nodes. I don't know what the fatigue point is anymore. I haven't noticed it.

I thought it was removed back in 1.18/1.19?

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Originally Posted by Sephrick

I thought it was removed back in 1.18/1.19?

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Patch notes for 1.18 says it short and sweet:

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[dev1120] The fatigue system and surplus points have been abolished.
Any surplus points accumulated before the patch will be lost.

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Also, in the 1.19 patch notes:

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[dev1162] The condition whereby gathering for extended periods of time reduces the rate of item yield has been alleviated.

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Originally Posted by Sephrick

I thought it was removed back in 1.18/1.19?

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not removed, just lesseneed a whole lot

and after testing myself and having hit the wall several times recently, the wall is actualy NOT 60 nodes, try more like 90-100 nodes almost(closer to the 700-800 gather range)


this in itself takes a good 4-8 hours to do depending on what your doing

after that much time, maybe you SHOULD be taking a break from it to go do something else(or i dont know, switch from mining, to botony, to fishing and exaust the others too?)



the fatigue as it is now isnt nearly as bad as it used to be, and so few people see it that it really shouldnt be an issue

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Originally Posted by Conradus

[dev1162] The condition whereby gathering for extended periods of time reduces the rate of item yield has been alleviated. :

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alleviated does not mean removed

it means it has been eased up on(lessened) which it was done, by 4 times what it used to be(you used to be done after 200 swings now you can get to 800 and only then start to feel it)

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

not removed, just lesseneed a whole lot

and after testing myself and having hit the wall several times recently, the wall is actualy NOT 60 nodes, try more like 90-100 nodes almost(closer to the 700-800 gather range)


this in itself takes a good 4-8 hours to do depending on what your doing

after that much time, maybe you SHOULD be taking a break from it to go do something else(or i dont know, switch from mining, to botony, to fishing and exaust the others too?)



the fatigue as it is now isnt nearly as bad as it used to be, and so few people see it that it really shouldnt be an issue

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I didn't try that before yet, but I asked very heavy gatherers in my ls. They say the fatigue stays on botanist/fisher too. I can't confirm this tho, because most of the times i switch to crafter after mining fatigue, because i want the golden hatchet ^^

I doubt it's cross class. I fish for a couple of hours everyday and almost every day I hop on miner or botany and spend a 1-3 hours doing that too. Rarely do I hit a wall. I don't mind the wall but I would like to see is a better focus on stats helping you 'target' the item you're aiming for (Ex: black sole, cobalt ore, mahogany logs, etc) so you're not just gathering forever only getting what you're aiming for 40% of the time. I like truth of mountains but abilities are so random it's nothing to count on, especially when it activates on your last gathering attempt.

Fatigue is still there for gatherers.

After around 50/60 nods ( at 8 tries per nods) I ALWAYS start to damage stuff as miner or botanist. Fisher on the other hand get fatigue after like 800 fishes ( equivalent to 100 nodes).
So we can gather more than before but I have to agree with finalfreak, this needs to be removed entirely. Yes after 2h of gathering ( usually the time I need to hit fatigue, more or less) I'm kinda glad to go do something else, but give me the choice to go when I want, not when the game tells me " ok you cannot gather anymore go do something else".

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Originally Posted by Finalfreak

I didn't try that before yet, but I asked very heavy gatherers in my ls. They say the fatigue stays on botanist/fisher too. I can't confirm this tho, because most of the times i switch to crafter after mining fatigue, because i want the golden hatchet ^^

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not cross class, if it was id be screwed lol(and i usualy do one then the other and its ok)

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Originally Posted by Ithil

Fatigue is still there for gatherers.

After around 55/60 nods ( at 8 tries per nods) I ALWAYS start to damage stuff as miner or botanist. Fisher on the other hand get fatigue after like 800 fishes ( equivalent to 100 nodes).
So we can gather more than before but I have to agree with finalfreak, this needs to be removed entirely. Yes after 2h of gathering ( usually the time I need to hit fatigue, more or less) I'm kinda glad to go do something else, but give me the choice to go when I want, not when the game tells me " ok you cannot gather anymore go do something else".

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interesting that your hitting it a good 20+ nodes before me
are you giving it time to cool off in between?

24h beetween each gathering session for the last 5 days, 400-450 item each day ( been doing the grade4 at Black Shroud).

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Originally Posted by Ithil

Fatigue is still there for gatherers.

After around 50/60 nods ( at 8 tries per nods) I ALWAYS start to damage stuff as miner or botanist. Fisher on the other hand get fatigue after like 800 fishes ( equivalent to 100 nodes).
So we can gather more than before but I have to agree with finalfreak, this needs to be removed entirely. Yes after 2h of gathering ( usually the time I need to hit fatigue, more or less) I'm kinda glad to go do something else, but give me the choice to go when I want, not when the game tells me " ok you cannot gather anymore go do something else".

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That's about the same as me.
And I understand that people say it's time to take a break of it by then, but they shouldn't add such a hilarious achievements then. 4000 hits in one region. Some days I'm totally up for a full day of mining while watching some tv series, but after about 3 hours I need to give up already because of the fatigue. This way I'll never get those 4000 hits achievements O.o

I would have to agree with Thevedis, if you have given time to fully cool-down since your last session I do believe 60 nodes is a bit of an exaggeration. It also could be "fatigue" is different to different people. I mean are you considering fatigue as in, the first time you damage 1 item? Because you can gather quite a bit longer and still harvest/mine/fish at about a 80% rate w/o damaging items....until it gets really bad.

Also, if you are intent on working towards those achievements and that is your sole motivation for doing the gathering, then the fact that your in fatigue shouldn't matter since damage chops still count towards your counter.

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Originally Posted by Crimzon

I would have to agree with Thevedis, if you have given time to fully cool-down since your last session I do believe 60 nodes is a bit of an exaggeration. It also could be "fatigue" is different to different people. I mean are you considering fatigue as in, the first time you damage 1 item? Because you can gather quite a bit longer and still harvest/mine/fish at about a 80% rate w/o damaging items....until it gets really bad.

Also, if you are intent on working towards those achievements and that is your sole motivation for doing the gathering, then the fact that your in fatigue shouldn't matter since damage chops still count towards your counter.

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Hmmm, i never watched that O.o That's really good to know! You helped me a ton! ^^
Just pitty that you lose a fairly big amount of money while damaging all the items, but my main goal is idd the achievement. This is new info for me because I never watched the counter once the fatigue started.

Ty for that post man!

Yes I consider hitting fatigue as soon as I break my first item ( I said : " I start to damage stuff" ).
I know I could continue, but I gather for the sake of looting items, thus breaking them, even if it is only 20% (which is a lot imo) just makes me stop.

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Originally Posted by Ithil

Yes I consider hitting fatigue as soon as I break my first item ( I said : " I start to damage stuff" ).
I know I could continue, but I gather for the sake of looting items, thus breaking them, even if it is only 20% (which is a lot imo) just makes me stop.

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well....1 item is nothing out of 8, even 2 of 8 doesnt stop me

ill go til i break close to 50% which is at the 1000 gather mark or so

I don't usually start hitting fatigue until between 500-550 gathers.

Although it's sometimes frustrating, SE needs to control the rate at which items come in to the game. If fatigue is removed, we could be competing against bots or gilsellers who gather 24 hours a day, and the prices for items will plummet. Gathering is still quite profitable, and I prefer it to stay that way.

my miner is almost 47, ive found the fastest way to lvl it without grade 6 points is doing ifrit.

Ok i was wrong about the 60 points. Today I did 3 hours of mining and kabling, there is fatigue again. I checked the achievements and i went up about 600 hits. So ok, that's about 75 nodes, but still...
Maybe it's my luck, but I'm damaging about 1/3 items now already from the first fatigue..

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Originally Posted by Finalfreak

Imo, gathering fatigue should be removed. Why can crafters craft all day without fatigue, while miners/botanists/fishers gets fatigued after 60 nodes.

That isn't really fair, and especially with the insane achievement for gathering. This fatigue drives me crazy :(

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Honestly gathering post Lv46 is just too little exp/gather/node. If they were to add grade 6 before level cap increase we wouldn't run in to this problem.

If they remove the fatigue, expect to see 100 stacks of cobalt ore for sale at all times. That's good for crafters, not so much for gatherers.

EDIT: In case you're wondering, I hit the new fatigue while on Botanist on Jack Daniels, I am not talking out of my ass, I have spent a lot of time dwelling on the lack of grade 6.

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Originally Posted by JackDaniels

Honestly gathering post Lv46 is just too little exp/gather/node. If they were to add grade 6 before level cap increase we wouldn't run in to this problem. .

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You aren't wrong, but I'd argue by the time you hit 46, there's no need to be any higher level. You can get the items without problem, and there's no real rush to actually hit 50. I say enjoy the profit you make as you (more) slowly level up.

(I'd like to add that EXP is significantly higher at these levels that it was back in the day... grumble, grumble, get off my lawn!)

I just mined a bit more. Now I completed about 850 hits, and I'm @ a ~100% damage rate.
Guess I'll go to botanist for today O.o

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Originally Posted by Jamison

You aren't wrong, but I'd argue by the time you hit 46, there's no need to be any higher level. You can get the items without problem, and there's no real rush to actually hit 50. I say enjoy the profit you make as you (more) slowly level up.

(I'd like to add that EXP is significantly higher at these levels that it was back in the day... grumble, grumble, get off my lawn!)

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I hear you Jamison /grumble grumble /shakes cane, back in my day you were getting 70 sp a swing, /grumble, grumble

I'll tell you what.. fatigue is not removed in crafting. There is still a form of it left. If I sit down and start synthing something, anything, even on any one of my level 50 DoH classes and do the same synth 50 to 100 times, the synth starts becoming harder and harder to complete until finally it will break every time regardless of what I do. I'm a legit player and when I start loosing 30k to 50k woth of materials per synth because of what ever stupid ass reason SE has for doing this to us... it's BS. And I'm paying for this?

I also agree with the OP as far as DoL classes as well. Just about fed up

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Just giving this whole thing a bit more thought. Hmm we have market and economy problems so the soloution is to put fatigue in place? Why not stop trying to re-invent the wheel (as usual in ffxiv) and do what works. Remove DoL & DoH from the the class systems. Stop allowing them to level up for free. I really hate to say it but have a look back as hind sight is 20/20 (FFXI) Hello? It worked and worked well. (imo).

Oh well w/e.

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Originally Posted by Uzziah

I'll tell you what.. fatigue is not removed in crafting. There is still a form of it left. If I sit down and start synthing something, anything, even on any one of my level 50 DoH classes and do the same synth 50 to 100 times, the synth starts becoming harder and harder to complete until finally it will break every time regardless of what I do. I'm a legit player and when I start loosing 30k to 50k woth of materials per synth because of what ever stupid ass reason SE has for doing this to us... it's BS. And I'm paying for this?

I also agree with the OP as far as DoL classes as well. Just about fed up

.. next

Just giving this whole thing a bit more thought. Hmm we have market and economy problems so the soloution is to put fatigue in place? Why not stop trying to re-invent the wheel (as usual in ffxiv) and do what works. Remove DoL & DoH from the the class systems. Stop allowing them to level up for free. I really hate to say it but have a look back as hind sight is 20/20 (FFXI) Hello? It worked and worked well. (imo).

Oh well w/e.

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um...fyi

THERE WAS NEVER A FORM OF FATIGUE ON CRAFTING LIKE THERE WAS ON GATHERING

what you are suffering from is called dumb luck rng

if your worried about fatigue you could always gather somewhere that takes longer like halitali. you'll mine less nodes most likly but he mats are worth more if your selling them.

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Originally Posted by Finalfreak

That isn't really fair, and especially with the insane achievement for gathering. This fatigue drives me crazy :(

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