What is going on with this housing?

Every player that ever had any interest in housing knows theres a housing shortage.

Most are aware of the autodemolition timer, which although opinions on it differ, we all agree it exists and its now active. Some are aware it has resulted in homes demo'd due to inactive players - some of which return to the game.

So we end up with removing players that did obtain housing for themselves from their housing because of shortages, to now because of new restrictions in place there are hundreds of houses across the servers already that are VACATED and cannot be purchased. Is an fc really going to head to a goblet subdivision to pick up a small house? Individuals certainly would.

I'm a big fan of this game in the relatively short time i played. The fact that housing has been such a premium commodity for so long and now we leave housing vacant due to restrictions - not because we solved the problem mind - puts me in complete shock with how disconnected the playerbase and developers are.

All of these loopholes in the system now in place, but the ones that ARE restricted? Players who do not own a house - most never have.

I gotta say even i am disappointed. We use the terms "fair and square " but we turn around and restrict people who do not have housing from obtaining it - when its available and vacated.

This is more of a transitional period. Multi home owners are basically locked out from acquiring any new homes, and precautions have been added to discourage house flipping. Lets also look at the mysterious settings/rules they haven't released any details about. Most everything's locked down right now due to needless adolescent entitlement and good old fashioned American greed combined with a outdated housing system that was plagued from the start. Just have to wait a week or two see what happens after the FC and relocate only stuff is finished. As far as auto demolition goes its a necessary part of a persistent housing system. Without auto demo a lot of homes would have been abandoned for years at this point.

So, to make a more succinct statement:

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"We got empty plots and we got players that want them, why limit to only FCs?"

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Because, right now, their best (albeit equally confusing) course of action was to prioritize FC housing. And its baffling that anyone would value less a plot just by its ease of access or notoriety, when your current main concern is availability.

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Originally Posted by Mahrze

So, to make a more succinct statement:



Because, right now, their best (albeit equally confusing) course of action was to prioritize FC housing. And its baffling that anyone would value less a plot just by its ease of access or notoriety, when your current main concern is availability.

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Especially when the major argument for FC's first is the workshop facilities and rooms for members. These same people (FC's) will hold out for a large and when they don't get one will then start complaining about fairness again.

I want to be clear - i am ALL FOR the autodemolition timer. In fact, im concerned it was off for so long. The problem i have with this logic is this:

Why would we kick out inactive players - that might want their house - for the reason of house shortages... Then also have all these now vacated plots with interested buyers, but restrictions prevent their use? The two situations do not support the same ideas and logic. Quite the opposite.

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Why would we kick out inactive players

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Because they are warned that after a period of time they will lose their house. It's the ingame ToS. Also, iirc, they get back 80% of their investment and most of their furnishings.*

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Then also have all these now vacated plots with interested buyers, but restrictions prevent their use?

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Because they consider the priority should be FCs. A FC can "house" multiple people who can use rooms (That work just like apartments). Who (for the most part) will share the building (just like apartments) with the added benefits of Workshops (and other due experiments) that would benefit a group (just like apartments).

Yes this is a bit of a duality in the system but this is what happens when a situation like this is allowed to get so far out of hand for so long. Everyone gets punished but the ones that get grandfathered in, and eventually those have to be dealt with as well.

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Originally Posted by Dragonrage53

Yes this is a bit of a duality in the system but this is what happens when a situation like this is allowed to get so far out of hand for so long. Everyone gets punished but the ones that get grandfathered in, and eventually those have to be dealt with as well.

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Why/ how do they need to get "dealt with"? They didn't do anything wrong. Instead of limiting housing to 1/1, SE should let every character own housing. Though that won't ever happen with the ward system, and for some unknown reason SE doesn't want to do instanced homes (even though they had them in ffxi from what I understand). I personally think it would be really cool to be able to go into Revenant's Toll, Idyllshire, any of the main cities, and a maybe a few cool scenic, secluded places and be able to have an instanced house there.

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Originally Posted by Mahrze

(see post 7)

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I appreciate the response, but i am well aware of the individual reasons for each rule there.

That is not how one comes up with quality resolutions to issues though. You cannot simply list each problem on a piece of paper, write a solution for each, and execute them. Though both solution do solve their respective problems in theory, if appied at the same time as is in game, they work against each other.

Its like me saying "im cold" then you say "turn the heat on"
A month later "my bills are expensive" then you say "turn the heat off"

Both valid solutions individually, but nothing addresses the if/then relationship between the bills and the heat. A different solution would be needed if i desired to solve both problems at once.

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Originally Posted by Falling

That is not how one comes up with quality resolutions to issues though. You cannot simply list each problem on a piece of paper, write a solution for each, and execute them. Though both solution do solve their respective problems in theory, if appied at the same time as is in game, they work against each other.

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OK, I figured you'd read between the lines. These are temporary solutions to a great problem that has been festering for years. They are approaching it as safely, securely and most PC and PR friendly possible.

They are not effective in any degree, but they can't afford to do anything drastic because they will get pitchforks from a number of people in a player base who's on the wrong end of that action.

honestly I like the idea of only allowing FCs to buy houses at the moment, but I feel that should end next week when wards open up. They already have certain houses marked for FC only use (probably the large houses) so why not open up public purchases with new wards?

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Originally Posted by illgot

They already have certain houses marked for FC only use...

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I don't think there is any official information for that yet? For all I know all personal (relocation) and FC peeps gonna fight head to head in a bloody war to upgrade houses next week.

On Tonberry, several meds and smalls opened up for relocation, but I've seen FCs decided not to take them since 4.2 wards are coming. Instead they are snatched up by individuals.

It's a good thing they are limiting house supply to prioritize FCs, FCs already have to compete with individuals who seeks better relocation spots.

Of course, there will be small houses left. This 4.2 patch never aimed to cater for the ease of upgrade (to M/L size), but to ensure majority of the FCs can access small houses in order to take part in the FC-only contents (airship etc).

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Originally Posted by Dragonrage53

This is more of a transitional period. Multi home owners are basically locked out from acquiring any new homes

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Yes and no. We can still relocate which i think is nice. That means we can still upgrade or move to a more desirable plot.

Miz referring to the dealing with the multi home issues. When you approach a problem eventually you have to completely solve the issue or it never goes away, this means dealing with all the branch off problems. In this situation multi home owners are a major issue and while many did not maliciously work the system they are still an issue that eventually has to be dealt with. I have no idea what SE has in mind but to solve the issue but, until everyone is be bound and follows the same rules that means everyone looses. A duck is a duck whether it wants to be one or not. All that being said I do whole heatedly agree with you on the instanced housing idea it would solve 99%? of the housing issues if done right.

Giving FCs first shot is a crock. I have a medium house already and I am there most of the time with a couple of other friends crafting, talking, changing and adding things, etc. I feel for the people that have been trying to get a house and should not be blocked for a week+. They should have the same choice to fight for a small, med or large house as the FCs (many of which have barely any members). The whole think makes me angry.

Frankly, have half a mind to make and raise an FC just to bypass this trash. But at that point, why bother? Might as well keep crafting and piling up the gil instead of buying into this.

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Originally Posted by Besame

Giving FCs first shot is a crock. I have a medium house already and I am there most of the time with a couple of other friends crafting, talking, changing and adding things, etc. I feel for the people that have been trying to get a house and should not be blocked for a week+. They should have the same choice to fight for a small, med or large house as the FCs (many of which have barely any members). The whole think makes me angry.

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I don't like it either - I have a lot of friends that have been patiently waiting for a plot to become available for a long time. But I can see why they did it I guess.

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Originally Posted by Dragonrage53

Miz referring to the dealing with the multi home issues. When you approach a problem eventually you have to completely solve the issue or it never goes away, this means dealing with all the branch off problems. In this situation multi home owners are a major issue and while many did not maliciously work the system they are still an issue that eventually has to be dealt with. I have no idea what SE has in mind but to solve the issue but, until everyone is be bound and follows the same rules that means everyone looses. A duck is a duck whether it wants to be one or not. All that being said I do whole heatedly agree with you on the instanced housing idea it would solve 99%? of the housing issues if done right.

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The restriction of one private and one FC house is listed under "temporary restrictions" on the lodestone side. Why would you disposses someone for a temporary change?

Furthermore you state your own opinions as a fact. Do you have any actual numbers why multiplot owners are such a problem in your point of view?

It's discriminating against single players, only the idiotic or naive imagine that there will be any plots left for more than a few minutes even on the most deserted server. Getting a house would be the thing that kept me logging into the game between patches, preparing for it has been all that has been keeping me playing the game for the last six months with nothing much to do. I'm livid that they have done this, I don't denigrate or deride any player who did what the system implemented by the developers allowed them to, that's got nothing to do with the problem anyway. WHY is SE always so pedantic and unresponsive to this issue? WHY IS IT STILL PART OF THE ADVERTISED PRODUCT TOO???? You can't have one unless you pervert the system, and as a single player apparently your sub is welcome just not respected.

And people will have faked FCs just to get houses again, the fix is just insulting. I am so angry about it too, if it's not something that is accessible to everyone, and not because it is skill gated, then it should be an addition to their subscription, then they can directly underwrite the technical costs that SE keep bleating on and on about.

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Originally Posted by Gnorok

Furthermore you state your own opinions as a fact. Do you have any actual numbers why multiplot owners are such a problem in your point of view?

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I love how some people want to label us multiowners (which often is 2 or 3 houses per service account) as criminals. When we...

1. Never broke any rule, took the opportunity after working hard to collect the Gil and bought our plots

2. Didnt horde the plots solely to sell them off at a later time (like with 4.1 where you could find people selling plots for 100+ M Gil)

People likes to bring up the women who bought a whole Ward, while i can understand the anger about a few people buying up so many plots i honestly can't say they did anything wrong and from what i gathered they are using their houses so its not like they have deserted them.

Also on the subject, these people also bought the houses when the server was dead and the plots were just sitting there.

^ is 100% correct, and alot of the houses were gifted to other FC members, and every one of them is being used to it's full extent from what I have heard from a lot of players.

Plots were empty forever, anyone could've came and got them at any time, from any server with transfer, so really, no one should ever complain about that.

To be perfectly honest I support the idea that houses should be prioritized for FCs due to their already dwindling supply and players really don't need a house to themselves. Apartments are not enough for solo players though, if you want to level your chocobo you have to pay hundreds of thousands of gil to buy thavnairian onions to level them up because you don't have a means to cross-breed without having a garden, and only houses have gardens. Maybe SE would take this advice into consideration? Public gardens yes please. That would at least satisfy the player base that are looking for houses mainly for the ability to crossbreed their own crops.

In my experience, dwindling players in a FC have more to do with treatment within it than anything else so that argument doesn't hold water. Yes, apartment upgrades with gardens and a small outside balcony would help. I suggested a loft-type set up with room for the garden and perhaps a small table, chairs and BBQ area.

The big thing that annoys a few people I know and I is they ready should have added a legitimate sale / trannsfer / exchange system.

I know quite a few players in various circles that were trying quite hard to get houses near each other instead if all being scattered all over eorzea.

And while some had some success its now almost impossible to do.

And locking the new wards to fc only. Means they can't even try to all move to the same ward either.

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Originally Posted by Dzian

And locking the new wards to fc only. Means they can't even try to all move to the same ward either.

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Moving isn't restricted to FCs, only new purchases. If they all currently have houses, they can still attempt to move near each other.

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Originally Posted by Dustytome

Moving isn't restricted to FCs, only new purchases. If they all currently have houses, they can still attempt to move near each other.

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But it prevents other people from joining them as they can't buy a house

Because everyone on forums complained FC's should have first chance, and so SE listened. It was asked for by all the people contributing on here for eons. So......what's the complaint?

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Originally Posted by Dzian

But it prevents other people from joining them as they can't buy a house

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True, but the ones with can still attempt to move together regardless of being an fc or personal house. They can share their houses and keep watch for open plots for the others once the wards open up for personals in the meantime?

I think the complaint is that those complaining may or may not have been the majority of the player base regarding giving FC's first crack at housing. They were certainly the ones that complained the most, that is for sure. You know what they say about a squeaky wheel getting the grease. Now that there is a change there are other people that are not happy about the changes. Grease one wheel and another one starts to squeak. Does that mean a majority? I am not sure.

Like i said in another post i have completely given up on housing and spent a large chunk of my gil as know damn well i will never get a house with this horrid (let's just add more wards) system is in place.
They really should never have used the term "fair" in a sentence as housing will never be fair until they implement instanced housing or a mix of instanced and non-instanced.
And really at this point i question why they even bothered to implement housing..

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Originally Posted by Maero

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housing will never be fair until they implement instanced housing or a mix of instanced and non-instanced.
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Actually, we're at that point already.

You have the wards for non instanced housing.
And apartments for instanced housing.



The problem is that when they initially implemented personal housing they didn't create the apartments then.
They went with the quick and easy implementation of just allowing players to buy the fc houses.

That mistake will forever haunt the system.