So how bad does SMN get nerfed?

Enough to switch to BLM?

Thoughts

Also I don't understand why they need to nerf and buff two jobs because of parsers differences. Just buff the job thats lacking. No need to keep swimming the nerf hammer back and forth on jobs forcing people to switch update to update

They only nerfed the AoE. And didn't say how much. BLM might still be bad unless the Fire IV buff is absurdly strong.

The nerf on SMN Area damage is mostly because it's too strong right now, and seems like one of the Sigmascape encounters has AoE involved.

From my understanding their (low) AoE is getting lowered and their ST is getting slightly buffed (of all things), though that was an off-discussion with a friend, not gleamed from an official source. I doubt the nerf is going to do much to SAM.

Some say they are buffing ST to compensate for aoe nerfs, which might mean they are nerfing akh morn that some ppl have said they are gonna touch, but the official translation is not saying anything more than aoe nerfs

If they nerf akh morn, that will naturally nerf singletarget dps as well and thats why st dps spells need to be buffed. If original purpose is nerf aoe, but keep st dps same.

It may indeed just be an Akh Morn and possibly Deathflare nerf, possibly done by increasing the dropoff of those abilities.

Whatever the case may be, Summoner will not be made useless. Their superior damage vs. BLM will stay the same, just with BLM being able to finally catch up damage wise (but hopefully BLM is more powerful than that) and SMN will maintain its support tools.

As I said elsewhere, the nerf is pretty pointless. SE hitting AoE. The only place that matters is in roulettes, meaning it doesn't matter much at all. It won't effect end game.

Incidental aoes are a thing however and teraflare phase is a thing too in ultimate, they are idd scarce and rare but they are here

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Originally Posted by AbelArchaniEA

Also I don't understand why they need to nerf and buff two jobs because of parsers differences. Just buff the job thats lacking. No need to keep swimming the nerf hammer back and forth on jobs forcing people to switch update to update

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It's because of the changes made to SMN. The changes buffed them in certain areas that they hadn't intended. Since it was before a patch cycle they had time to adjust it without changing it with a kneejerk reaction.
The reason they are nerfing SMN dmg is because this game has 9 DPS jobs. The upcoming content is based on intended DPS, not the DPS that SMN was getting. So if they were to buff other jobs(aka they would have to buff all 8 jobs + buffing tank/healer dps) to be in balance with SMN DPS, then they would need to re-evaluate the HP/DMG values of Omega/Byakko. It's just easier to readjust SMN to it's intended DMG potency than it is to buff every other job to compensate for SMN unintended potency.

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Originally Posted by Airget

to it's intended DMG potency than it is to buff every other job to compensate for SMN unintended potency.

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if we talk about intended potency they should fix the broken pot-numbers of the egi/fairy skills at first - due to there mechanic the are calculated differently than players pot but were given a "round about" bs pot in there descriptions.

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was it clearly said that they talk about akh morn/deathflare at all?... or can it even be tri-disaster and painflare adjustments like the loss of M2?

Either ways... its funny at first to lose an aoe (m2), getting a nerfed deathflare on multi-targets just to notice that was bad and dmg was hard to hold on a decent level with those changes -> "well lets buff dots pot (for banes sake höhö (they surely forget that we nerfed that as well with 4.0)) and give them a major buff for that dead skill... what was it called?.. ah Tri-bind yeah... but just in trance and with decent long cast time so they have to waste their roleskill swift for it – this will work for sure huehue" – honestly they are still, if not even more, clueless how to handle this cls in the future than ever before...

I mean whats the deal in nerfing aoes on a cls which is based on aoes ever since? It's like exchanging Fire with Wind on Blm just because fresh air u know? This cls loses more and more identity... we aren't pet groomer cause our pets are clunky and haven't got any love since game implementation (whats sad on its own), we aren't "good" summoners cause our only real summon is frightening, shy and never brave enough to spare some inches between him and his master... now we lost our ground-aoe dot with 4.0 as well as the option to spam/replace shadowflare - so no "DoT master" anymore to claim... all those changes left us "aoe king" status... which will be nerfed next week... I can't wait for all the upcoming threads in here... not just for smns but blms as well ^^'

Actually SE should just rename SMN to Ruin-Mage and all problems are solved...

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It may indeed just be an Akh Morn and possibly Deathflare nerf, possibly done by increasing the dropoff off those abilities

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This is what I think is gong to happen. I just hope they don't add drop-offs for pain flare and DWT tri-bind...

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This is what I think is gong to happen. I just hope they don't add drop-offs for pain flare and DWT tri-bind...

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PF and TB would have a way heavier impact tho... I hope they won't touch them as well... q.q

I can see them adding a dropoff on Painflare. Though that would be a bit unfair over curren dropoff from Bane. They can also lower the increased potency of DWT TriB. 100 potency for it is a bit ridiculous at the moment.

nerfs nerfs nerfs -.-

at least we have only one way to get out of mana now. the dead way. :rolleyes: