Fix Praetorium

Ran Praetorium as a White Mage about a week ago. I was aware that people run this very aggressively and that I would need to skip scenes. I skipped scenes and my party STILL left me behind, refusing to explain any of the mechanics when I asked, and mocking me when I missed things. I only participated in one of the fights. I accidentally skipped over the end sequence because I was so upset. It was easily one of the worst experiences I have had in ANY game.

I have heard people make the argument that it is necessary to allow people to run the duty aggressively so that people will queue for it. I can tell you, this duty made me stop progressing the plot, and I can say that I will definitely NEVER queue in the MSQ queue as a result. I would have gladly queued for two hours just to get a positive experience on this dungeon.

Please fix this dungeon!

You can watch the mechanics on youtube, but at this point in the game they are really trivial which is why everyone plows through the area. I don't know how you got left behind if you were skipping cutscenes. Maybe join a FC that will wait for you to watch cutscene and make the pace slower.

Thanks, when I mean mechanics, I actually mean the elevators and the magitech suits. Since I was scene skipping, I had no idea where to go. They left me behind at the elevator when I was right next to it, mocking me, and I finally caught up when they were finishing off the last boss. I even did the whole "Hello! First time! Please let me know what I need to do!" thing

I believe Praetorium and Castrum Meridianum are going to be changed in some fashion in 4.2. What that will entail is yet to be seen, though.

I'm sorry to hear that. :< I always advise my sprouts (assuming I can't get a full group together for them) to just watch the cutscenes and everyone will complete the dungeon by the time you finish lol. Personally I got lucky my first run of it, the vet tank put her foot down and told everyone else to stfu and go slow so she could teach the new tank how to do the run properly. I think this is one of the dungeons that brings out the best and the worst of our community.

haha yeah I probably should have just ignored the advice to start scene skipping and just let them blast through while I just watched the scenes. Figuring out that I had to turn in the quest before I could watch the scenes in the inn was an arduous process. In any case, I would totally have reached out to my FC if I had known it was going to be such a mess! That tank sounds pretty cool... I can't bring myself to do it again, or even do the MSQ queue, but if I did it later I would probably refuse to progress without the newbies like that tank did. However I hope they actually do something to fix it at the end of this month!! I will definitely give it another swing at that time!

First time I done this and Castrum I got left behind.
Castrum was because by time I skipped one cutscene another began and everyone was off before me. I don' know if my ping isn't great but I always seem to be last out of Cutscenes even when I skipped as soon as I can. I ended up sat on the steps after the trash bin at the first boss in Castrum (there was mobs the other side of the wall who weren't pulled) and just watched scenes while party done dungeon lol easiest exp ever.
Hell even last week I got left behind on Praetorium at the lift. Group activated it before I'd got the keycard to work the magitek. That was it. By time it came down and I got up, into suit they were way ahead despite my best efforts I didn't catch up till after the boss fight which I was locked out of.

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Originally Posted by execool

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Please fix this dungeon!

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So basically you are easily offended, and you quit because of a bad experience instead of taking a break, shaking it off, and moving on, because it was all about you being upset.

Got it.

And yes, I'm an insensitive jerk for not caring about your feelings, and honoring and respecting the fact your entire purpose in creating this thread was to whine instead of handle it like an adult.

And fyi, despite that this may upset you, it is unfortunately the best possible advice I can give you from one individual to another. Even if it is not what you want to hear.

I usually mark the Magitek thing if I notice a new player and verbally say something if I see them not get it.

Usually though if there is a newbie I tell them to just sit back and watch the cutscenes. The team I had my first time told me to and honestly I enjoyed it. Then I went back and did it normally. Just know that this is the last time this'll happen, doesn't occur in later dungeons.

Watch the cutscenes and enjoy your free ride.

They're making cutscenes in it to be unskippable by next patch. The result of this: it might take forever to pop but when it does people in it will be mostly new or people actually meaning to help.

Mentor roulette will start queueing people on those two dungeons forever...

Another trick you can advise/employ for anyone that gets left behind, instead of trying to catch up, just Return to the entrance and use the shortcut after the rest of the party clears a boss. You can jump right back to the group and try to keep up again if you want to see a little more of the dungeon. Easier than trying to chase down the group, especially if you're not yet familiar with the layout.

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Originally Posted by zuzu-bq

Mentor roulette will start queueing people on those two dungeons forever...

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oh my god. i just can pray that you are not right.

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Originally Posted by zuzu-bq

They're making cutscenes in it to be unskippable by next patch. The result of this: it might take forever to pop but when it does people in it will be mostly new or people actually meaning to help.

Mentor roulette will start queueing people on those two dungeons forever...

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Please pleeeaaaaseee give source to this, I hope all of it isn't true...

There is no source for that. All yoshi said was that they are aware of it and are pushing out a fix in 4.2. The rest is speculation.

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Originally Posted by Alien_Gamer

All yoshi said was that they are aware of it and are pushing out a fix in 4.2.

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A fix which "may extend the duration of the dungeon" and warrants greater rewards.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-Update-Thread

And then, earlier, there was this...
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-ons-Blitzball

I dunno. It is speculation of course, but there's a good chance they simply pulled through with the earlier idea.

First time I did, I told the party I will skip cutscenes (and I skipped the opening one so they can start right away).

I was told to enjoy them because they don't need a 4th dps for this.

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Originally Posted by Xero123

And yes, I'm an insensitive jerk for not caring about your feelings, and honoring and respecting the fact your entire purpose in creating this thread was to whine instead of handle it like an adult.

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I am going to drink your delicious tears when they make the scenes unskippable in the 4.2 patch

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Originally Posted by Xero123

So basically you are easily offended, and you quit because of a bad experience instead of taking a break, shaking it off, and moving on, because it was all about you being upset.

Got it.

And yes, I'm an insensitive jerk for not caring about your feelings, and honoring and respecting the fact your entire purpose in creating this thread was to whine instead of handle it like an adult.

And fyi, despite that this may upset you, it is unfortunately the best possible advice I can give you from one individual to another. Even if it is not what you want to hear.

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spoken like a true child...your not doing it any better...even though it is not what you want to hear. Now get lost, your advice aren't even advice.

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Originally Posted by execool

I am going to drink your delicious tears when they make the scenes unskippable in the 4.2 patch

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Why? Virtually no one will run the dungeons then. And imagine trying to get through ARR's story if that was the case. You're acting foolish.

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Originally Posted by hamond

spoken like a true child...your not doing it any better...even though it is not what you want to hear. Now get lost, your advice aren't even advice.

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How was he being a child?

He was telling execool to get over it. It hurt her feelings but what of it? It won't change the fact that people still run through the dungeons like bats out of hell. They're easy and boring.

I was advised by SE support to open a thread. I am happy with the changes that are being made. I have no further issues. I am SO sorry that you veterans won't get to use sprouts' story experience to farm anymore. Its not like you were enjoying it, right?

Enjoy your 1 hour que time to. :)

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Originally Posted by execool

I was advised by SE support to open a thread. I am happy with the changes that are being made. I have no further issues. I am SO sorry that you veterans won't get to use sprouts' story experience to farm anymore. Its not like you were enjoying it, right?

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What you don't seem to realise is that those supposed changes won't help anyone. Msq roulette was put in the game so that new players could get through the dungeons in the first place. These dungeons were dead.
If people are forced to watch 30min cutscenes no reward in the world is gonna make them queue for it anymore. New players will be standed.

PS. I don't mind waiting for sprouts, I even join in on pf for cs runs. But I'm in the minority there.

as i said, I am happy with the changes. I am sorry that you all have such a problem with me. In my original post I said I wouldnt mind queueing for a long time. I just want to have a fun time playing a video game. Please stop targeting me.

I get that you all want me to stop playing, but fortunately my FC and SE support has been really kind to me, and I know this kind of behaviour is not the norm.

you dont need to comment on any more of my posts, I will not make any more threads or posts on here

Noone said anything about you personally. There's no reason to get offended.
You can be happy with the changes, which btw aren't even confirmed yet, everyone here was just pointing out the problems we see, if that actually happens.

And we didn't even say a word about not wanting you to play, if you took it as that, that's on you. The only person, who wasn't friendly replying was told off by others immediately. And if you can't accept that other people might have different opinions, that's also your issue, don't take it out on others.

I never have issues waiting for people watching cut scenes.I know whats in the Story dungeons and when i queue i keep that in mind.
If you've completed this part of the game and are doing it in roulette you are well aware of what it involves and the cutscenes there are important to story.I dont believe any player has the right to ruin that on others.If you have a problem dont queue for it.Plenty of people have no issues helping and waiting while people watch cutscenes.

I started in ARR and we all watched the cut scenes when doing the runs so what gives me the right to ruin the experience for a new player?

I run this roulette every day to make a little extra gil and give clears to new people. I won't be running it if we're forced to wait through every cutscene though, there are other more time efficient things I can do for money if they do that.

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Originally Posted by execool

I am going to drink your delicious tears when they make the scenes unskippable in the 4.2 patch

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You'll have seen them all by then though, surely.
I'm assuming you'll be first in the queue to sit through them all again though, right?

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Originally Posted by execool

I get that you all want me to stop playing, but fortunately my FC and SE support has been really kind to me, and I know this kind of behaviour is not the norm.

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You took what people said as personal attacks, which is utterly ridiculous. No one told you to stop playing or even implied that. How did your mind make such an incredible leap in logic? I am extremely curious to see where you connected the dots for this to even possibly make sense to you.

The way you have replied to people makes me think that you are rather immature. And I don't mean that as an insult. I mean it as in you're not very old and thus rather inexperienced and naive to things outside your own little world. Someone telling you to get over something that hurt your feelings is good advice. You literally said you were basically on the verge of quiting because people upset you because they did something you didn't like which is not only self absorbed but a pathetic reason to quit a game you seemingly enjoy.

And again no one knows what changes are being made.

As a side note: from what I've seen of how you react to what people say to you in this thread I am skeptical that the party you were in mocked you. You were new so they knew you wouldn't know how the dungeon works. I am thinking they probably informed you of something and you felt like they were mocking you. Like them telling you to stop attacking Ultima Weapon/healing before the light flashes or something.

I'm actually willing to bet that if people do still queue for Main scenario roulette, Newbies that are watching the Cut scenes and making everyone wait are going to start to be kicked instead... So I'd be careful what you wish for.

I never mind letting someone watch the cut scenes, I've even helped some groups do runs where we wait so the newbies can participate... But expecting others to wait for someone to watch stuff in Prae and CM... well, I understand why people don't wanna do it~!

They need to lower the item sync on it closer to around I 70 and make people kill adds before teleports

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Originally Posted by Darty123

They need to lower the item sync on it closer to around I 70 and make people kill adds before teleports

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They need to first put one in.
There currently is no item level sync for Praetorium or Castrum Meridianum. It's only level sync.

I don't know if it needs to be as low as 70. If you make it too low, a lot of people won't queue for the roulette because it'll take too long, and then you'll see threads about people not being able to get a group in a reasonable amount of time.

I think they should first put an ilevel sync that's a little high (like 110 or 130) and see how the community reacts.

Personally I think all instances should have some form of ilevel sync.

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Originally Posted by Darty123

make people kill adds before teleports

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I agree with this one.

One of my biggest gripes is that I regularly died in Praetorium due to most of the teams speedrunning through the mobs and ended up ganging up on me, along with any unfortunate tank/healers that couldn't reach the elevator/teleporter in time. These things really should've been locked until all the mobs are cleared like in every other dungeons in the game.

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Originally Posted by Alien_Gamer

There is no source for that. All yoshi said was that they are aware of it and are pushing out a fix in 4.2. The rest is speculation.

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There was source. I just couldn't find it, it was mentioned mid Live Letter and only there after all. And in the end it did happened.

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Originally Posted by VanilleFang

You took what people said as personal attacks, which is utterly ridiculous. No one told you to stop playing or even implied that. How did your mind make such an incredible leap in logic? I am extremely curious to see where you connected the dots for this to even possibly make sense to you.

The way you have replied to people makes me think that you are rather immature. And I don't mean that as an insult. I mean it as in you're not very old and thus rather inexperienced and naive to things outside your own little world. Someone telling you to get over something that hurt your feelings is good advice.

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Just wanted to come back and say, thank you Square Enix! You all have completely blown me away with your incredible support and attention to the game. You have taken a pair of instances that were broken, and completely fixed them with new players in mind. No longer do I have to give every sprout I meet a tediously long explanation about why they shouldn't queue for castum and praet normally, particularly when they are not there yet. I gave the MSQ a few runs, and I actually found those runs pleasurable to play now. It was neat to see all these jaded people in the runs simultaneously complain about the cutscenes, but then acknowledge that the dungeons were coherent and playable now. Thank you for fixing it!!!!! I think my favorite part was hearing players banter about plot points and characters, which I always wish people would do more of. I plan on running the MSQ at least a few times a week from now on. Thanks again!

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Originally Posted by execool

snip... Thank you for fixing it!!!!! ...snip

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Ô_o
Apparently we have very different opinions for the meaning of "fixed" regarding this dungeons.

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Originally Posted by execool

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Tell us how you feel when you are running the main scenario roulette for hundredth time with full group of players that have already completed these before and being forced to watch all the cutscenes.