[Suggestion] Mentor Roulette Removal

The title might throw some people, but this is going to be controversial anyway so here goes nothing...

I'd like to see the mentor roulette removed and instead folded into a Duty Finder Setting option, just like "Join Party in Progress," "Undersized Party," etc. Something like "Mentor When Available," where if you want to deal with new players, first-time dungeon runners, or get the bonus more often, you can sign up for it and it can be in each of the other roulettes you've unlocked. That way if you want to deal with it, you can easily do so and get that bonus more frequently.

However, if you're like me and don't like it when you explain a fight and people still ignore you, then you can opt out of it as much as possible and deal with getting the bonus much less frequently. You get less reward, but you also keep your temper and sanity.


With the requirement of HW EX-Primals added in, we've seen a massive decrease of people running the mentor roulette anyway. So instead, people who want to just do roulettes as quickly as possibly are routinely leaving DF parties (voluntarily or not) within two minutes of loading into something. If someone is willing to sign up for suffering through something like Aurum Vale with all those new players trying to get their GC quests done or trying to bridge that gap between 46 and 50, we should reward them for doing so, and keep those of us who would rather ditch it upon load-in who could be put to better use in the queue by doing dailies with the thousands of others who are also just trying to do dailies.

I don't know if it would speed up queue times for sure, but I would think a roulette that just pulls from the other roulettes if nobody is signing up for its own queue slows things down by making more and more people have to leave a duty and re-queue because their tank or healer recognized the starting room in Aurum Vale or saw Steps of Faith (normal) and didn't want to deal with it. It also breeds a sort of resentment against those players because if you didn't queue up for mentor roulette and you're stuck in the position of having to explain everything, you're only getting the Bonus for a new adventurer, but not the additional bonuses of the Mentor Roulette. So you're doing the work of the Mentor Roulette WITHOUT getting the reward, and that further discourages people from putting up with the extra time and effort required.

And I know somebody is going to say "well if you do Mentor Roulette X amount of times, you get a title/mount, so that's why it's a separate roulette to encourage you to queue for it." My counter is "why not also get credit towards the mount/title when you're grabbed by the mentor roulette ANYWAY?" Just make it a Duty Setting and you'll see people turning it on just to get that title/mount and speed up all the queue times when they'd never touch the Mentor Roulette otherwise. If they want the mount bad enough, they'll keep the Duty Setting turned on. (Downside might be them leaving a duty BECAUSE there's no bonus, but the odds are really against that being a systemic problem)

"But," you may say "how do you KNOW it'll speed up the other queues? Not everything in the Mentor Roulette is reflected in the other roulettes."

My answer to that is "You're already queued for Expert Roulette and it's Ala Mhigo (ALWAYS!!!) with someone who is aiming to make the dungeon take 45+ minutes. You've been in the queue for 20 minutes, and you know if you leave you're looking at another 20 minute queue. Leaving and re-queueing after the 30 minute penalty means you're only looking at maybe a 5 minute delay, which you'll probably delay because your FC-mates/friends logged on and you will just run it with them to speed it up. That way you also decrease (You'll never fully eliminate it) the odds of someone new slowing things down by removing the number of slots left for the roulette to assign a random person to. It'll also cut down on the number of groups that abandon and have to re-queue if you were the tank or healer and just bailed."

"Well, but what about the Weekly Tails? New players give you either a shuffle or retry, so that's worthwhile." But my counter argument is "I could use (AND HAVE USED) all 9 stacks of my Weekly Tails bonuses in two minutes and be back at 9 stacks by the end of the day." If I wanted that shuffle or retry bad enough, I'd do Mentor Roulette because that's a guaranteed Weekly Tail bonus, but if I don't care about it I get it anyway just by doing my normal roulettes on a regular basis. To me and others, there's no point to actively seeking out that bonus when it just comes to you in the course of the day.


TL : DR - Get rid of the Mentor Roulette by making it a Duty Setting instead of a roulette.

lmao lul u serious, so basically u asking for a way to choose the duty u want te be thrown at. nope git gud stop complain. wether you do it for rewads, tome bonuses, titles or whatever, stop complain and be trown to the first duty aviable and clear it, if you can't do it, quit being a mentor.

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Originally Posted by Mirch

lmao lul u serious, so basically u asking for a way to choose the duty u want te be thrown at. nope git gud stop complain. wether you do it for rewads, tome bonuses, titles or whatever, stop complain and be trown to the first duty aviable and clear it, if you can't do it, quit being a mentor.

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Thank you for proving my point. YOU don't want me to be a mentor, I don't want me to be a mentor. We agree on that. But this is exactly what I'm talking about. You didn't bother to even read the TL;DR, I DON'T want to do mentor duties, and I want to be able to opt out of being grabbed by the Mentor Roulette when I didn't queue up for it. Changing it from a Roulette to a Duty Setting would allow YOU to avoid having me in your roulette because I'd opt out of turning that setting on so I don't run into people like you who couldn't be bothered to read the TL;DR I put in the post for you, so why would I think you'd read my description or tips on how to handle a fight you've never done?

Why not save us both the time of a re-queue when I abandon after you load in and type "I'm new" and then proceed to ignore everything I say about a fight? You're happier, I'm happier, the roulette queues go faster.

TL;DR, at least read the TL;DR of a post.

Lmao play what you are given, stop complaining smh.

Instead deleting mentor roulette, I would like inv people to do it with me. Remove Solo condition, please.

im confused at what u want? Cant you just not que for the mentor roulette?

Or are you asking for your roulettes, every single one, to exclude novices unless that setting is applied? Thats a pretty damn terrible setting if thats what you want.


Imo, i dont do mentor roulette specifically because all i ever get are 4man dungeons. if i could manipulate mentor to give me ex primals, id probably be doing it every day cos thats whats fun to me, win or lose.

There are a number of duties that are only in the mentor roulette and no other. Older content can be dead enough as is.

No thank you.

If you don't want to do Mentor Roulette/be a mentor to newbies in a Mentor Roulette....then don't queue up for any of the roulettes. There's no guarantee to not get newbies in even non-Mentor roulettes. And if you don't want to teach, queue with friends that aren't new. Or just remove your crown. I understand the frustration of people not listening to advice, but if you're just going to outright refuse to teach, you don't need the crown, nor any titles/shinies that come with being a mentor.

That's what it sounds like you want, anyways.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

If you don't want to do Mentor Roulette/be a mentor to newbies in a Mentor Roulette....then don't queue up for any of the roulettes. There's no guarantee to not get newbies in even non-Mentor roulettes. And if you don't want to teach, queue with friends that aren't new. Or just remove your crown. I understand the frustration of people not listening to advice, but if you're just going to outright refuse to teach, you don't need the crown, nor any titles/shinies that come with being a mentor.

That's what it sounds like you want, anyways.

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I realize I wasn't being very clear when I posted it, given the responses, so let me add some clarification.

I DON'T have the mentor status turned on, I keep it turned off and would remove it if I could. I DON'T run Mentor Roulette. I DON'T want the title/mount.

To try and rephrase my point, I'm gonna change to the perspective of someone who DOES enjoy Mentor Roulette.

If YOU want to run the Mentor Roulette, whether because you want to genuinely help new players, just get more bonuses or tomestones, or you just want the mount/title, why are you limited to only the Mentor Roulette when you have to mentor IN YOUR OTHER ROULETTES ANYWAY?

Why can't it be that YOU can just turn on a Duty Setting to be a mentor and have ALL your roulettes then prioritize putting you with people needing you in ALL your queues. Why can't it just grab you and put you where you're needed and just leave me to sit in the queue longer because I DON'T have that setting turned on? It should be just like the in-progress duty setting, YOU COULD OPT OUT OF IT.

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Originally Posted by LeeraSorlan

im confused at what u want? Cant you just not que for the mentor roulette?

Or are you asking for your roulettes, every single one, to exclude novices unless that setting is applied? Thats a pretty damn terrible setting if thats what you want.


Imo, i dont do mentor roulette specifically because all i ever get are 4man dungeons. if i could manipulate mentor to give me ex primals, id probably be doing it every day cos thats whats fun to me, win or lose.

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This is what I'm talking about. Because you don't want to run Mentor Roulette because all you get are 4-mans, it grabs someone like me who doesn't want to be a mentor. Because the Mentors aren't running their own roulette for whatever reason, it's instead pulling from the other roulettes and making those people take your place when they don't necessarily want to put up with it.

Mentor Roulette doesn't prioritize new players or first timers, it just takes the duty with the longest current queue time and fills it up with mentor roulette users, that's all.

All they should do is open up mentor roulette to everyone who has a variety of different jobs leveled (and geared) high enough and remove the forced mentor crown in it.

The option to prioritize queues with new players and first timers would be a nice addition for mentors.

Just my 2 cent.

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Originally Posted by HavokRain

I DON'T have the mentor status turned on, I keep it turned off and would remove it if I could. I DON'T run Mentor Roulette. I DON'T want the title/mount.

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Maybe I am not understanding this right, but isn’t it that one can actually resign being a mentor?

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Originally Posted by HavokRain

I DON'T have the mentor status turned on, I keep it turned off and would remove it if I could. I DON'T run Mentor Roulette. I DON'T want the title/mount.

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You can cancel your mentorship any time at the Smith NPC.
So you can get rid of the whole mentorship including the different mentor stats, the mentor roulette and the posibility to get the titles and mounts.

This wont save you from being queued together with new players and first timers in your other roulettes, because every roulette just fills queues with people.
The only difference between the roulettes are the duties they can fill up the queues.

After my first short answers i ploughed through your posts and found many many things you are wrong about.

First Mentor Roulette is just a queue filler roulette with a forced basic mentor stat active, nothing more, no prioritizing, no forced grouping with new players or first timers.

Also Roulettes in general are just filling queues of the duties who are available within their duty list, without prioritizing anything. If there is no open queue they create a random new one.
If you are queued together with some new players or first timers and the duty is within the range of the roulette it is all fine, that is a random queue.

If you don't like to have the possibility to be queued together with new players or first timers use the party finder, you can queue every roulette fully premade.

Also you can resign your mentorship anytime by the Smith NPCs...Why are you signing up for mentorship if you don't want to do it in the first place?

Also the real TL;DR should be: I don't want to be queued together with new players and first timers. Make an option to exclude them from my queues.

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Originally Posted by HavokRain

The title might throw some people, but this is going to be controversial anyway so here goes nothing...

I'd like to see the mentor roulette removed and instead folded into a Duty Finder Setting option, just like "Join Party in Progress," "Undersized Party," etc. Something like "Mentor When Available," where if you want to deal with new players, first-time dungeon runners, or get the bonus more often, you can sign up for it and it can be in each of the other roulettes you've unlocked. That way if you want to deal with it, you can easily do so and get that bonus more frequently.

However, if you're like me and don't like it when you explain a fight and people still ignore you, then you can opt out of it as much as possible and deal with getting the bonus much less frequently. You get less reward, but you also keep your temper and sanity.


With the requirement of HW EX-Primals added in, we've seen a massive decrease of people running the mentor roulette anyway. So instead, people who want to just do roulettes as quickly as possibly are routinely leaving DF parties (voluntarily or not) within two minutes of loading into something. If someone is willing to sign up for suffering through something like Aurum Vale with all those new players trying to get their GC quests done or trying to bridge that gap between 46 and 50, we should reward them for doing so, and keep those of us who would rather ditch it upon load-in who could be put to better use in the queue by doing dailies with the thousands of others who are also just trying to do dailies.

I don't know if it would speed up queue times for sure, but I would think a roulette that just pulls from the other roulettes if nobody is signing up for its own queue slows things down by making more and more people have to leave a duty and re-queue because their tank or healer recognized the starting room in Aurum Vale or saw Steps of Faith (normal) and didn't want to deal with it. It also breeds a sort of resentment against those players because if you didn't queue up for mentor roulette and you're stuck in the position of having to explain everything, you're only getting the Bonus for a new adventurer, but not the additional bonuses of the Mentor Roulette. So you're doing the work of the Mentor Roulette WITHOUT getting the reward, and that further discourages people from putting up with the extra time and effort required.

And I know somebody is going to say "well if you do Mentor Roulette X amount of times, you get a title/mount, so that's why it's a separate roulette to encourage you to queue for it." My counter is "why not also get credit towards the mount/title when you're grabbed by the mentor roulette ANYWAY?" Just make it a Duty Setting and you'll see people turning it on just to get that title/mount and speed up all the queue times when they'd never touch the Mentor Roulette otherwise. If they want the mount bad enough, they'll keep the Duty Setting turned on. (Downside might be them leaving a duty BECAUSE there's no bonus, but the odds are really against that being a systemic problem)

"But," you may say "how do you KNOW it'll speed up the other queues? Not everything in the Mentor Roulette is reflected in the other roulettes."

My answer to that is "You're already queued for Expert Roulette and it's Ala Mhigo (ALWAYS!!!) with someone who is aiming to make the dungeon take 45+ minutes. You've been in the queue for 20 minutes, and you know if you leave you're looking at another 20 minute queue. Leaving and re-queueing after the 30 minute penalty means you're only looking at maybe a 5 minute delay, which you'll probably delay because your FC-mates/friends logged on and you will just run it with them to speed it up. That way you also decrease (You'll never fully eliminate it) the odds of someone new slowing things down by removing the number of slots left for the roulette to assign a random person to. It'll also cut down on the number of groups that abandon and have to re-queue if you were the tank or healer and just bailed."

"Well, but what about the Weekly Tails? New players give you either a shuffle or retry, so that's worthwhile." But my counter argument is "I could use (AND HAVE USED) all 9 stacks of my Weekly Tails bonuses in two minutes and be back at 9 stacks by the end of the day." If I wanted that shuffle or retry bad enough, I'd do Mentor Roulette because that's a guaranteed Weekly Tail bonus, but if I don't care about it I get it anyway just by doing my normal roulettes on a regular basis. To me and others, there's no point to actively seeking out that bonus when it just comes to you in the course of the day.


TL : DR - Get rid of the Mentor Roulette by making it a Duty Setting instead of a roulette.

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Originally Posted by HavokRain

Thank you for proving my point. YOU don't want me to be a mentor, I don't want me to be a mentor. We agree on that. But this is exactly what I'm talking about. You didn't bother to even read the TL;DR, I DON'T want to do mentor duties, and I want to be able to opt out of being grabbed by the Mentor Roulette when I didn't queue up for it. Changing it from a Roulette to a Duty Setting would allow YOU to avoid having me in your roulette because I'd opt out of turning that setting on so I don't run into people like you who couldn't be bothered to read the TL;DR I put in the post for you, so why would I think you'd read my description or tips on how to handle a fight you've never done?

Why not save us both the time of a re-queue when I abandon after you load in and type "I'm new" and then proceed to ignore everything I say about a fight? You're happier, I'm happier, the roulette queues go faster.

TL;DR, at least read the TL;DR of a post.

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Originally Posted by HavokRain

I realize I wasn't being very clear when I posted it, given the responses, so let me add some clarification.

I DON'T have the mentor status turned on, I keep it turned off and would remove it if I could. I DON'T run Mentor Roulette. I DON'T want the title/mount.

To try and rephrase my point, I'm gonna change to the perspective of someone who DOES enjoy Mentor Roulette.

If YOU want to run the Mentor Roulette, whether because you want to genuinely help new players, just get more bonuses or tomestones, or you just want the mount/title, why are you limited to only the Mentor Roulette when you have to mentor IN YOUR OTHER ROULETTES ANYWAY?

Why can't it be that YOU can just turn on a Duty Setting to be a mentor and have ALL your roulettes then prioritize putting you with people needing you in ALL your queues. Why can't it just grab you and put you where you're needed and just leave me to sit in the queue longer because I DON'T have that setting turned on? It should be just like the in-progress duty setting, YOU COULD OPT OUT OF IT.




This is what I'm talking about. Because you don't want to run Mentor Roulette because all you get are 4-mans, it grabs someone like me who doesn't want to be a mentor. Because the Mentors aren't running their own roulette for whatever reason, it's instead pulling from the other roulettes and making those people take your place when they don't necessarily want to put up with it.

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Honestly the amount of times I get stuck with new players is very high solo vs duo or more. I don't mind it entirely too much unless it's one of the dungeons that are well below the level that I que'd up for which happens ALL THE TIME.

Being level 60+ and get a level 15-20 dungeon drives me nuts, which adding into a group of newbies kinda adds more to that frustration.

The more infuriating part of this is that everyone in the party more often in these que's are much higher level and still placed into these 15-20 level dungeons.

Seriously even in a full party of level 60+ or max 70 and get stuck in copper bell mines normal every day makes me not want to run leveling ever again.