plz do something about Astro in pvp

This healer is way to strong atm bole card 10% defense lasts 30 sec , synergy can be put up on any target and lasts forever and just the crazy amount of insta heals they class has, insta procc on benefic 15 sec cd dignity , the lady card it's pretty dumb if you ask me, when fighting a good astro it truly feels like your hitting a brick wall as dps.
I know the class needed a small buff but they managed to over do it big time.

i'll just let this do the talking

https://twitter.com/panke219/status/916883494864773120

AST is worst healer in Feast atm.

You clearly dont do feast then Scholar is the worst followed by Whm and Astro is god tier atm.

To be quite frank, speaking from experience since I've played with you and against you for multiple seasons now, the way you try to handle teams with ASTs in them is pretty questionable and because of it I'm not surprised at all that you feel like you feel like you're hitting a brick wall.

It's like you're still playing the new PvP as if it was the Heavensward system. You can't solo people with your bursts anymore (a lot of the times you try it on the healers) when you're against a good healer. Yet you still do it, just like you did back in the day but back then it was still possible and somewhat feasible to do it. In Stormblood though, one person's burst is nothing compared to Heavensward and if you're prepared for it you can easily heal it. Because at that point as a healer, you know that means one less dps on the team and you can focus more of your heals on yourself.

I would honestly suggest you try and find different ways to tackle healers (not just ASTs) rather than stick to the one way you've done been doing it since Heavensward because it doesn't work anymore, majority of the time anyway. And then you might not feel like you're hitting brick walls anymore and calling it God Tier or whatever else. Food for thought I guess.

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Originally Posted by snipski

You clearly dont do feast then Scholar is the worst followed by Whm and Astro is god tier atm.

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Um...

Saying that I "clearly don't feast" and following that up with saying Scholar is the worst healer makes it look like, to me, that you don't know what you're talking about. But I won't judge because I can understand that things are maybe different on EU.

I speak for JP datacenter. Scholar was/is dominating JP datacenter. Anyone who plays on JP knows how to lock down an AST. And I rather trust JP than EU & NA tbh who don't even use burst macro. But as I said, play-styles are way different depending on region.

AST can't defend as well against coordinated burst like WHM and SCH can. NA and EU just like to blow their load on non profitable stuff. If you can't coordinate, of course an AST will have no problem healing through that.

You're kidding right? Did you see that Aether League match last night?

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You clearly dont do feast then Scholar is the worst followed by Whm and Astro is god tier atm.

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...443&height=607

top 3 last season were schs, and the 2nd guy is the first guys alt. And yeah I clearly do not feast *looks top right*

I can only speak for my data center "Chaos" when im up against scholar or whm they go down very easy compared the Astro maybe the players are worse but who knows..
Getting ppl to burst the same target in solo que is annoying as hell that rarely happens, Feast was far more enjoyable for me pre stormblood for sure.

SCH seems to be the one that in the hands of a skilled player will never go down, while otherwise they're just a fragile feather.
I've seen both ends of the spectrum. From my experience SCH is the hardest healer to deal with against, but it just seems to be at a high skill ceiling.

Buff ninja XD

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Originally Posted by snipski

I can only speak for my data center "Chaos" when im up against scholar or whm they go down very easy compared the Astro maybe the players are worse but who knows..
Getting ppl to burst the same target in solo que is annoying as hell that rarely happens, Feast was far more enjoyable for me pre stormblood for sure.

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/merror off
/mk attack5 <t> <wait.1>
/mk attack4 <attack5> <wait.1>
/mk attack3 <attack4> <wait.1>
/mk attack2 <attack3> <wait.1>
/mk attack1 <attack2> <wait.1>
/macroicon "Target to Attack 1" enemysign

Hopefully it will help out!

Adapt or die

I think all healers are kinda equal now after sleeve draw changes. SCH is clearly offensive healer because they can collect aetherflows via broil spam. WHM is defensive healer because they need collect lilies via cure spam. AST is either defensive or offensive depending cards rng luck. With whm it is hardest make kills, but easiest survive. With SCH it is easiest make kills, but hardest survive. With astro it is something between.

Stop trying to solo healers Lloyd you're a great player but things are different now and for god sake please tell us when you're swapping targets so we can help.

Scholar cant handle split dmg very well, and astro can pretty much put up bole disable and migate soo much dmg its pretty stupid actually put disable up before LB and the LB wont hurt at all.
Astro is by far the strongest healer in Feast right now when i have astro on team i win every game pretty much :o

Astrologian is also great on supporting his team thanks to its latest change, the lord of crown and lady of crown. These 2 skills are really strong

Maybe it's a good thing that Square doesn't look at the English community for PvP suggestions.

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Originally Posted by MarbleM

Buff ninja XD

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What? No xD They are actually awesome but need to be skilled to do something. They have a really huge burst and several tools to face any kind of classes (of course not to 1v1 a healer or a tank x) )

20% on disable is way to good make it 10% and give Essential Dignity a higher cooldown then 10 sec thats just stupid benediction has like 120 sec, i know it heals for full but 10 sec cd on a fucking 2k insta heal is so stupid... you guys who are defending Astro has no clue on how strong the class is atm. As a Diamond melee i play against our number 1 ranked Astro in like 98% of the games i play because of the new match making and i can tell you even if he is a good player i can tell you that Astro is crazy strong right now.

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20% on disable is way to good make it 10% and give Essential Dignity a higher cooldown then 10 sec thats just stupid benediction has like 120 sec, i know it heals for full but 10 sec cd on a fucking 2k insta heal is so stupid... you guys who are defending Astro has no clue on how strong the class is atm. As a Diamond melee i play against our number 1 ranked Astro in like 98% of the games i play because of the new match making and i can tell you even if he is a good player i can tell you that Astro is crazy strong right now.

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Then stop trying to solo him and actually coordinate with your team.

This have nothing to do with cordination it's about Astro being op right now, in Rival Wings i tanked as much as 6-7 players putting bole , lady card on my self and just spamming the procc heals + dignity on cooldown, half of the ppl here doesent even seem to pvp or must be really bad at it if you are this blind.

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This have nothing to do with cordination

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PVP has everything to do with coordination and teamwork. There is only so much you can do alone to take down any healer not just AST.
Make sure you synergize your bursts with your teamates is very important for taking out healers.

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PVP has everything to do with coordination and teamwork.

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...unless you are a healer of course, then "Teamwork" and "Coordination" do not apply and you may rambo away until you got a full team or Brute Justice on your heels.

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but 10 sec cd on a fucking 2k insta heal is so stupid...

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It is actually like 6k when the target is low, so it is pretty strong ye. AST suffers though from RNG cards and mitigation, if you have a good burst all the heal wont help you if its not mitigated(disable only 6s, pls it is not that long).


Compared to old seasons I just notice way more defensive/kiting/baiting gameplay by many players, and as you don't gain any more momentum if you keep pushing against 1 target (like no more abilities with resistance down, vulnerability up, cc effects,more dots etc., ye in old pvp it was actually good to play aggressive) it is not really a good way of getting a kill anymore. And that kind of gameplay helps AST immensely atm.
I really don't know why it has to be like this now, you advance 1 step they(no matter what role) retreat 2 steps even if you didn't even touch them once.You might call that good positioning but in the old seasons you at least fought in mid until you noticed there is gonna be burst and you need to retreat or los their range dps, you didn't just fall back completely like a wimp looking for 1vs1 with a healer on your side lol.
I know myself as melee, we tend to be the leading role and do callout on targets and we stay on them, if you get a range dps who cant do that, or healer who are scared to follow you, you are better off playing the same bait game with them, because that is how feast works now, wait for the idiot to come after you and lol burst him 100->0 in 1gcd, because that is skill.

I have had problems with astro many times. 90% of my team was at the generator. It was like 2 healers on my team. Other team had 3 astros and the rest were DPS. Basically no one died for 5+ minutes. And no one got below 50% health.....basically we could not even get one astro below 80% health. Even with everyone including healers doing DPS to only the astros....

ASTs can be pretty ridiculous, especially if they're skilled with the job.

I got attacked by an AST/BLM team last night, and held up against them pretty well. It was a moment of stubbornness for me, I admit. We were losing, and that AST just pushed the button, so I was all in on that fight. Didn't expect to survive, but I was gonna spank me an AST before I went down. . . The AST on my team showed up just as things started to look bad for me, and we began one hilarious war of attrition.

It took 3 BLMs, 1 AST, and a Cruise Chaser to finally take me down, and mostly because I was slow on a self heal.

before 4.0, I use to kill it with AST in The Feast. Nocturnal sect was about the most OP thing with AST in 3.x times. Kiting people with automatic shields. AoE Balances, Boles, and the occasional enhanced or extended ewer. AST was God mode at the time now...they're eh. Hard fuckers to kill one on one, especially with that stupid ass bind.

My question may look stupid, but I only play the Frontline, and when I see people can't kill some healer players with 4 dps on them, how can only 2 dps and 1 tank can kill a healer in the Feast? Do they even do it or the healer is not suppose to die there? Are they supposed to wait to get the kill chain bonus to get them?

I'm always surprised when I see some healers looking like invincible to 4 dps and some healers just dying to 2 dps, I'm like what is the difference between the 2. Or are the dps making the difference? (or both sides I guess)

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how can only 2 dps and 1 tank can kill a healer in the Feast?

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There are burst windows for like every class, if you counter these windows as healer there is not much to fear from dps until the next burst window. Players in frontlines usually don't care if they are bursting in a tank lb or safeguard buff, or if the targets are covered by tanks.
A lot of people have targeting issues, they cant run and press an attack button the same moment, they use standard movement controls and cant run backwards fast, they are not using all their skills and sitting on full TP/MP ressources, they have no real burst it is just a constant dmg output often with no spike, it may even seem high at the end of a feast match but all that damage wont kill a healer usually, only burst is really effective. Some people are afraid of attacking, they seem like they are doing something, but they aren't, they use a skill every 5-10s.
When we will have premade matches in feast it will become really ridiculous, because you will see targets often die in 1gcd and you cant do anything about it.
Another issue is, if both sides have bad dps, MP will be low(because its a long fight), you cant use your big heal anymore all the time because it is 4xmore expensive for just the double heal output, so MP miss management leads to kills too.
Even if the 4 dps you mentioned were somewhat capable, with a constant Cure II/Benefic II/Adlo spam it might be possible to sustain for some time, you will be at 0 MP after a very short time, but maybe they give up or are dead until then. This is why it is important to keep up pressure against healers, as they often burn their cooldowns in frontlines pretty fast, if they are gone they are easy to kill. Delay your burst a bit and it will be easier.

Thank you for your insight :)
Btw in Frontline, 2 healers helping each other is a pain to kill, and actually 3 healers looks like impossible to beat if the 3 know what they are doing ^^" And I talk about in realistic random situation, not like "we are 8 premade bursting at the exact same time". Thx it's not the case in the 4v4 Feast :)

A premade of machinists using GCD+"Between the eyes"+GCD at the same time on the stuned healer must be funny :p

It was more about culling time making it so that eventually, someone had to die, as well as the medal mechanic adding debuffs to everyone over time to make them easier to kill. The only reason it wasn't as hard before was that healers could be chain cced and forced into a lot of casting downtime to coincide with those bursts, and even then healers kept people up a lot. WHM in particular had repose and fluid aura to counter tanks, and was best healer since they had the best cc to attack back.