INT working as intended.

Tests were done on Spindiggles, there were no resists, and everything was combo'd

First gear set, 261 INT & 451 M.Pot
http://www.gwcdn.com/albums/images/4...7f5e008588.jpg

Parse
http://www.gwcdn.com/albums/images/4...7f5e008589.jpg
Thunder average 593.47
Thundara average 1104.94
Thundaga average 1314.90

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Second gear set, 261 INT & 494 M.Pot
http://www.gwcdn.com/albums/images/4...7f5e00858b.jpg

Parse
http://www.gwcdn.com/albums/images/4...7f5e00858a.jpg
Thunder average 643.47 8% increase
Thundara average 1131.79 3% increase
Thundaga average 1419.67 8% increase


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Third gear set, 362 INT & 489 M.Pot
http://www.gwcdn.com/albums/images/4...7f5e00858d.jpg

Parse
http://www.gwcdn.com/albums/images/4...7f5e00858f.jpg
Thunder average 726.64 12% increase
Thundara average 1487.89 31% increase
Thundaga average 1661.80 17% increase





Conclusions:

• Looking at third parser, Thundara (Thundara also have 'increased damage' effect in the combo bonus) received the major boost from INT, while receiving next to nothing from magic potency. This leads me to believe combo's damage modifier/formula highly relies on your stats especially the one that has 'increased damage' bonus.

• 40 extra magic potency which comes from Hexa Mask and Ifrit's Cudgel increased a very little amount in terms of damage, will devs look into this? because this would render Ifrit's Cudgel usefulness next to none when a single INT Lightning Brand will outdamage it far beyond.

p.s stats does work. (INT at least :P)

Math is dumb. I'm going to just sit here and keep complaining!

(Nice job testing this stuff!)

Unfortunately your parse includes crits, specifically the int parse has 25% crits on thundara vs 0% in the mpot tests.

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Originally Posted by Junpei

Unfortunately your parse includes crits, specifically the int parse has 25% crits on thundara vs 0% in the mpot tests.

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You don't have to exclude criticals when evaluating the impact of an attribute on skill damage. But you should do each test at least 500 times to minimize the randomness from criticals <.<

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Originally Posted by Coldfire

You don't have to exclude criticals when evaluating the impact of an attribute on skill damage. But you should do each test at least 500 times to minimize the randomness from criticals <.<

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Ya hopefully the volume of tests done would drown out the spikes from crits to an acceptable level. In any event, while the data presented might not be done in keeping with the strictest scientific methods (or methods that are satisfactory for the academic community on these forums, all of them being PhDs in MMO Maths) it still illustrates and reinforces, even if in a limited fashion, the notion that INT and the damage one does are positively correlated per what SE said about the stat.

Thank you to the OP for taking the time to post your results and conclusions.

You should run the test vs different level mobs.

You vs a 50 mob
You vs a 55 mob
You vs a 60 mob

I would also not use lightning modifying gear and either run enough samples to negate criticals or toss them out all together.

Still nice results and thanks for the contribution.

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Originally Posted by Chardrizard

p.s stats does work. (INT at least :P)

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Appears it does work, I wish all stats wroks so clear and definently.

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Originally Posted by Junpei

Unfortunately your parse includes crits, specifically the int parse has 25% crits on thundara vs 0% in the mpot tests.

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Could that possibly suggest that INT modifies crit rate for magic damage?

To the comments about crits:

If you consider crits a problem in this test, just look at the crit damage, which is calculated separately. You will obtain roughly the same numbers in % increase dmg.

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Originally Posted by northernsky

To the comments about crits:

If you consider crits a problem in this test, just look at the crit damage, which is calculated separately. You will obtain roughly the same numbers in % increase dmg.

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Yes, numbers will roughly the same for crit, Thunder/Thundara crits will always be around 30% more from the average.

Thundaga is a bit tricky because it has 'increased critical damage' in combo bonus, seems to be 60% more from the average Thundaga, no idea yet if INT increases the critical bonus.

I'm glad INT is better. I hope they don't fix the Mask or the Cudgel. Please don't change a thing with stats!

Thanks for this.

I remember somebody saying I while back that you can increase your actual attack magic as much as you want, but Intelligence is what governs this. Like it's the threshold I guess?

Nice fine though.

Hi Chard,

Thanks for the post and results. :)

Do you think it'd be good to also get a 4th test with your boosted INT (362) and the base Magic Potency (451)?

No offense to OP (good testing), but I find it pretty shocking that this is a surprise to anyone. INT's effect on spell damage is high enough to eyeball the difference, and usually that means it's very potent.

What can you expect though, when 99% of the playerbase is content to assume stats have no effect because someone killed Ifrit in a costume.

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Originally Posted by Chardrizard

Conclusions:

• Looking at third parser, Thundara (Thundara also have 'increased damage' effect in the combo bonus) received the major boost from INT,

• 40 extra magic potency which comes from Hexa Mask and Ifrit's Cudgel increased a very little amount in terms of damage, will devs look into this? because this would render Ifrit's Cudgel usefulness next to none when a single INT Lightning Brand will outdamage it far beyond.

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sorry deleted some line of the quote.

/nod int is to magic attack bonus more, little to the magic base damage. Attack magic potency (AMP) is more to magic base damage, I actually don't think it gives thundara combo damage benefit... therefore, I don't think int will help conjure nukes more than AMP.

Lightning brand itself = ifrit's in thunder damage cus the thunder element pot = AMP. so ya when you mount any materia it will out damage ifrit's. That's only for thunder series.
but +1 int shouldn't increase that much tho... magic critical damage need to be calculated separated I think...

so...I think the best setup is follow your playing style. If you <3 combo especially thundara, go int little more. If you <3 thunder and thundaga, go AMP little more. However, a balanced setup that mixed with m. acc is better. In the end if you miss, you failed. There is no 200% acc benefit too, so don't go crazy on acc too. enough acc is enough.