Please make "Dataqi Chronicles" wait time between FATEs shorter

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11-22-2017, 10:41 AM
zeth07

Please make "Dataqi Chronicles" wait time between FATEs shorter

I'm currently trying to get the Dataqi Chronicles FATE chain done and for some of the fates there is a 20 minute+ wait between them.

This makes no sense and is harsh when trying to keep a group together to get this thing done for the achievement. It is also nearly impossible to solo.
11-22-2017, 08:50 PM
Culfinrandir

I tried to do these solo as a new lvl67 WHM the other day & the 3rd/4th (not sure) in the series just mashed me into pulp in less than a minute.
11-23-2017, 04:13 AM
Wintersandman

My Best chance I had on this fate was as PLD at 68/69. I could keep myself up but was unable to burn the boss down fast enough. I believe it was Diplomacy or Decimation with the Ogres. Reducing the time in between would be nice as the wait time people lose interest.
11-23-2017, 04:16 AM
DrWho2010

these are not meant to be done solo. get a group together.
11-23-2017, 07:26 AM
Culfinrandir

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Originally Posted by DrWho2010

these are not meant to be done solo. get a group together.

FATEs are only relevant for a week or two after expansion release. On Leviathan, one of the biggest servers, you'll be lucky to find enough people to form a FATE group at peak time, never mind off-peak. Even reward fates like Prey Online get nobody attending most of the time.
11-23-2017, 07:42 AM
NosamKin

I've always done this with a hunt group. So I agree - get a group together to get it done.
11-23-2017, 10:15 AM
Wintersandman

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Originally Posted by NosamKin

I've always done this with a hunt group. So I agree - get a group together to get it done.

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Originally Posted by DrWho2010

these are not meant to be done solo. get a group together.

Both of you missed the OP's point. It's great to get a group together and I have had people show up for the fates when I am doing them solo but the 20 minute + wait times between the sequences people lose interest or go off onto something else. That was the OP's gripe. He gets people there but then the wait time kills it.
11-23-2017, 11:46 AM
DrWho2010

they need to have some patience then. if they're in a group and they want to do the FATE chain then they should understand that you have to wait.
11-23-2017, 07:30 PM
Culfinrandir

That's exactly what happened to me. 3 people at FATE one, 2 at the next & I ended up solo at the one that killed me. When exp bonus FATEs are popping elsewhere then people will always wander off. There is no continuity between this chain like there is for, say, Highbridge.
11-23-2017, 08:05 PM
PotatoTree

You basically have to set aside "raid time" with a FC for this fate. It took my group like 1h30m to complete it when SB first came out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZBr650-Fk0

This fate is the savage mode of fates.
11-24-2017, 04:24 AM
Culfinrandir

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Originally Posted by PotatoTree

You basically have to set aside "raid time" with a FC for this fate. It took my group like 1h30m to complete it when SB first came out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZBr650-Fk0

This fate is the savage mode of fates.

You get it! At least someone does! It's not as if you can say "Meet at Reunion at 8pm GMT for Dataqi run" either because you don't know when it'll spawn. >_<
11-28-2017, 03:34 AM
Wintersandman

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Originally Posted by PotatoTree

You basically have to set aside "raid time" with a FC for this fate. It took my group like 1h30m to complete it when SB first came out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZBr650-Fk0

This fate is the savage mode of fates.

This is exactly why I don't raid. I shouldn't have to set aside X time to do a fate. Behemoth and Odin are perfect examples of how Fates like this could work. BEHEMOTH IS UP and the zone fills up as if a present day hunt was going on. But that was when Fates actually meant something. Shoot even the Eyes fate and Cancer were able to be easily cleared for a long time. I definitely had more than a week with those fates.
11-28-2017, 04:21 AM
DrWho2010

it's a massive lore based FATE chain. its there for the ppl that want more Au'ra tribe lore goodness.
11-28-2017, 04:30 AM
bugmancer

omg content that actually takes time and effort and coordination and planning to do: NERF IT NOW!!! even though it's been out for months and no one has had a problem with it until now
11-28-2017, 04:54 AM
Wintersandman

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Originally Posted by bugmancer

omg content that actually takes time and effort and coordination and planning to do: NERF IT NOW!!! even though it's been out for months and no one has had a problem with it until now

No one is asking for it to be nerfed. They asked for the wait times in between the fates to be eliminated. Learn to read.
11-28-2017, 11:51 PM
bugmancer

then learn to read implication, too. wait times are just another factor that keeps you from finishing the content in 2 seconds. it's an achievement fate for a reason lmfao because it takes patience and persistence to achieve. ACHIEVE meaning effort and something you have to set aside more than 30 minutes of your life accomplishing. if it's an hour and 30 minutes of waiting for the fate to spawn? deal with it. not every single aspect of this game has to cater to everyone at every little detail like an achievement that probably 50% of people don't actively do
11-29-2017, 03:56 AM
DrWho2010

omg ppls just suck it up and do it
11-30-2017, 04:11 AM
Wintersandman

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Originally Posted by bugmancer

then learn to read implication, too. wait times are just another factor that keeps you from finishing the content in 2 seconds. it's an achievement fate for a reason lmfao because it takes patience and persistence to achieve. ACHIEVE meaning effort and something you have to set aside more than 30 minutes of your life accomplishing. if it's an hour and 30 minutes of waiting for the fate to spawn? deal with it. not every single aspect of this game has to cater to everyone at every little detail like an achievement that probably 50% of people don't actively do

I understand the implication. People request QoL adjustments all the time, this is purely that. I spent 90 minutes in Steppe last night and Completed Duty as soon as I arrived. The next one did not pop within the rest of the time. That is almost as much time as I could spend in a raid which people are equating it too. It's not like oh you have 20 minutes in between fates. It is 20 minutes plus. This is the ONLY Fate chain that has these kinds of wait times.

Specifically when this was designed as casual content.

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Originally Posted by DrWho2010

omg ppls just suck it up and do it

Read above. I have tried but like me and the OP have said, we can't keep a group together to complete the entire chain due to the atrocious wait times between the sequences.
11-30-2017, 04:38 AM
DrWho2010

its like 20 min. go and take a bathroom break or catch up on twitter.
11-30-2017, 04:56 AM
Wintersandman

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Originally Posted by DrWho2010

its like 20 min. go and take a bathroom break or catch up on twitter.

Apparently you didn't read. 90 minutes the next sequence didn't start. It is not on a set timer.
11-30-2017, 05:08 AM
NosamKin

I'd have to say that if you didn't see it after 90 minutes then you were probably in the wrong place. The next one doesn't start from where the last one off. Looks like i've done this four times as i've got four standards (the reward). At least two of those were by accident - I just happened to be there and picked up the chain after it had started. You don't have to be there from the beginning. Here is a good reference for the fate:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ronicles_fate/

One way is to get a hunting group together to do it. Thats worked for me but I hunt often. Could also try PF?
11-30-2017, 05:48 AM
Wintersandman

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Originally Posted by NosamKin

I'd have to say that if you didn't see it after 90 minutes then you were probably in the wrong place. The next one doesn't start from where the last one off.

I was fate grinding and watching the map. I know it doesn't spawn in the same spot as I got up to the cyclops. Azim Steppe is pretty much dead so there is a slim to 0 possibility that someone else cleared it. I typically am the one who clears Duty (where you gather the milk).
11-30-2017, 07:34 AM
DrWho2010

if you were waiting 90 min in between fates something went wrong or you did something wrong. there are like 2 breaks in the fate chain one is like 20 min the other 10 min I think.
11-30-2017, 09:51 AM
Wintersandman

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Originally Posted by DrWho2010

if you were waiting 90 min in between fates something went wrong or you did something wrong. there are like 2 breaks in the fate chain one is like 20 min the other 10 min I think.

3 breaks in the fate chain and Reddit agrees with me and the OP. I was in the zone the entire time and the next one after Duty never spawned. The NPC's don't die that fast, so I know it was nothing I missed.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ronicles_fate/
11-30-2017, 10:59 AM
DrWho2010

some other condition was missed then
12-01-2017, 02:22 AM
Wintersandman

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Originally Posted by DrWho2010

some other condition was missed then

There are no other conditions. Why are you so opposed to shortening the wait time? This is purely a QoL adjustment.
12-02-2017, 01:04 AM
NosamKin

If the dev team had infinite resources then sure - re-evaluate the wait time. Change it to 10 min or 5 min. I found the wait irritating and am not opposed to changing it. However, there is a certain amount of effort required to change the wait time and I would rather have the dev team spend that effort elsewhere. Like on housing or bots in PVP or opening up the diadem for small groups or <your fav goes here>

(In the software group where I work it takes 1/2 day to do any change to the live system - and our product is no where as complicated as FFXIV. I am guessing it would take them at least that long. )
12-02-2017, 02:20 AM
Wintersandman

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Originally Posted by NosamKin

If the dev team had infinite resources then sure - re-evaluate the wait time. Change it to 10 min or 5 min. I found the wait irritating and am not opposed to changing it. However, there is a certain amount of effort required to change the wait time and I would rather have the dev team spend that effort elsewhere. Like on housing or bots in PVP or opening up the diadem for small groups or <your fav goes here>

Agreed but making a request and it is up to the Dev team to evaluate the priority. Don't need players shooting down simple QoL adjustments as we should really let the Dev's decide whether or not they have the bandwidth. As a software developer I am sure your group looks at requests based upon how many times it is asked for and figures out when and if it can be done. Why shoot down other players?
03-28-2019, 08:45 PM
Bashe

I would like to add my vote to have the wait time between Fates reduced.
04-08-2019, 09:42 AM
Zohar_Lahar

This is the only achievement FATE I haven't been able to complete, partly because i never seen beyond "The Dataqi Chronicles: Desperation", the enemies will destroy anyone soloing and kills the NPCs very quickly.
04-08-2019, 09:55 AM
Gula

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Originally Posted by DrWho2010

they need to have some patience then. if they're in a group and they want to do the FATE chain then they should understand that you have to wait.

This is perfect for the people at gaming cafes amirite
04-08-2019, 07:06 PM
Jojoya

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Originally Posted by Zohar_Lahar

This is the only achievement FATE I haven't been able to complete, partly because i never seen beyond "The Dataqi Chronicles: Desperation", the enemies will destroy anyone soloing and kills the NPCs very quickly.

Get a group formed and spread the word you're doing a run for the achievement. There are a lot of players who don't have it that would be happy to join if they're online at the time.

Check with your server's hunt community for help with relays for the FATEs. We organize Dataqi runs in Coeurl's hunt community a few times a month (or more often when requested). A lot of players will come just for the chocobo XP (which is insanely good if you get enough for at least one full party to come and even better with more) even if they already have their achievement. We also try to reach out to players who never got their achievements through zone shouts, linkshell relays and word of mouth via FCs and friends. We had a run about a month ago where over 30 players got their achievement though I've also completed the entire chain with a single party that never had more than 6 players in it. As long as the group has a tank and members set their chocobos to healing, there shouldn't be any problems.

It's shame Jenova will be staying with Aether while we're going to Light once World Visit starts or I'd invite you to one of our runs. If you don't already have a solid network of friends keeping you on Jenova, think about transferring to Coeurl at the end of the month and we can help you out with Dataqi and any other FATE achievements you might be missing.

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Originally Posted by Gula

This is perfect for the people at gaming cafes amirite

They can always link up with groups who are already in the final stages of the chain. You only have to do the last FATE to get the achievement, not all 13. We usually send out a final warning relay during the brief break between the 11th and 12th FATEs to let people know if they still need the achievement that they need to get there now. We've even got a channel on the discord for our server hunt community dedicated to special FATE mentions so players who are just looking for achievement FATEs can watch for them and ignore all the hunt related mentions. When the mention goes out for the final 2 FATEs, players can log on at that point to join the crowd.