Rival Wings and bots

Is bots and botting going to carry over to Rival Wings? I do wonder if SE plays their own game sometimes. I know people post, report and take video all the time of bots in pvp, but I don't see any results from that. Is it the fact that such a large number of players are doing it, that rather than lose a number of players and their accounts, they just overlook it? Is it more about the numbers SE is getting, more so than exploiting and cheating? Wasn't there another mmo that cheating was so widespread and unchecked that it killed the game itself?

Just some questions I ask myself so many times, I thought I'd post them here and get feedback on them. :)

People bot in Feast, presumably for the achievements, so its safe to assume they will do the same for Rival Wings.

Bots have been a problem since like April and Square Enix hasn't said a single word on the matter. At this point, it is safe to say that they don't care and that nothing will be done about it. They're getting their sub money.

We all know the answer.

there will be loads of bots for sure, as long is it gives rewards of any kind: ingame currencies, achievements, eetc.

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Originally Posted by Mirch

there will be loads of bots for sure, as long is it gives rewards of any kind: ingame currencies, achievements, eetc.

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Well there were significantly less bots before exp was introduced :^)

There will be bots, the question is if its going to be a disaster as the frontlines.

The best way we can avoid this is to QUEUE.

Everyone. Bring a friend. Form a Light Party. Queue up, and take a spot before bots do. And for the ones we know are botting, utterly crush them. Then report them. Then crush them some more.

This is the biggest new thing we PvPers are getting in nearly 2 years. Don't let anyone ruin this for us.

Problem is the bots don't care if they lose, it's still exp they get for not actually being at their computer.

They don't care if they get reported either probably, given SE doesn't actually ever do anything about them. As an experiment when they released the new pvp reporting path, I began reporting the same bot every day for a month straight. Same canned response every time, and the same character is STILL botting daily, having leveled 4-5 jobs to 70 in frontlines. SE might as well market their own bot programs to make more money at this point.

Then defeat them with numbers. Queue in larger numbers than the bots. If you get one in party, kick it as soon as you can.

Take names. No need to post them, of course, but spread the word throughout the community. When people know it's a bot and they have enough numbers of their own to vote kick, make use of it. Assuming nothing will be done and thus doing nothing just let's them continue doing it. And where SE perhaps fails to move, I'm all about making a community effort to handle it ourselves, within the means of the system of course.

Simply put, if botting isn't a violation they'll deal with in a timely manner, then it's a "different playstyle" you can kick immediately and be well within your rights.

I don't bot. At all.

But I worry that I'm not much better, because my computer goes into a minor seizure when things get messy. Should I go back to earning the Makai look by Gold Saucer instead?

I see it like this:

Shatter promotes passive play, making it such a prime target for botting. Rival Wings most certainly does not. And given that it's still new, many actual players are queueing for it. If someone happens to encounter someone botting, be swift and merciless in reporting it. Spread the word about the botter too. Don't allow that to spoil this new mode for us. They can stay in Shatter since they clearly don't care anyways.

I don't think we'll see as many, since part of the reason Shatter was so heavily botted were people using it to mass level DPS at the start of Stormblood or end of HW. Rival Wings is insulting low exp if you lose-something like 350k at 60- and at 20 minute matches you are better off doing anything else for exp. Even the tome reward is worthless, for 20 minute matches. The only real reward is the mount for 100 wins, and you can't bot that.

I for one hope that doesn't change.

It's decent XP for someone 30 and up leveling, but at higher levels, there's far more lucrative ways to level, and if someone's ONLY going to PvP for that, they'd be better served doing something else, and not potentially dragging down a team for potentially only being focused on leveling.

I don't think it will change, but it will have its own issues. I think interest in general will fall off pretty quickly, since matches play the same way every time and its ridiculously hard to counter an early advantage or proper teamwork playing the game the way the devs intended. SE needs to honestly get over the JP mindset of everyone acting as a well oiled machine and make a mode much more about skirmishes and reacting to emergent events.

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Originally Posted by RiyahArp

SE needs to honestly get over the JP mindset of everyone acting as a well oiled machine and make a mode much more about skirmishes and reacting to emergent events.

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We called it Seal Rock (Seize), and back then everyone was so convinced that PvP was trash and didn't want to try it.

It was very popular then, I played it when it came out. Don't get me wrong, rival wings is very well done for what it is, but I'm just saying that I can see good teamwork being an insurmountable obstacle in it.

There is a mount for 100 wins. Yes there will be bots, if they can get even one win for doing nothing then they will use it. After a couple of months the bots will return to shatter.

I just pray people don't start scripting them to use the mechs, because misusing those is probably the easiest way to make your team lose.

I think FFXIV Is going to be phasing frontlines out entirely in favor of rival wings.

Isn't there a way for se to spot bots?

I'm pretty sure they could implement some manner of detection/security software if they actually wanted to.

However, because they lack such a thing it seems to make them reluctant to ban bots that aren't RMT spammers and/or blatantly hacking in the extremely off-chance they could end up punishing who's innocent..