Additional Functionality for Personal Homes

Hi all, so while owning a personal home has some benefits (decorating, gardening, stables, etc.) there are some features that are not available for personal use. Workshop/Airships, heck even the crafting stations are restricted to FC only (and don't function if you are the level cap). Aetherial wheels I understand as those are replacement for Free Company Actions and individuals have access to similar actions via GC Squadrons.

Would it be possible for the proposed 4.2 Housing overhaul to include features for individuals? This would greatly help with giving personal housing more meaning. Also please remove workshop restriction requiring a light party and allow single people with permissions to work/complete projects.

crafting stations can be added to personal houses and used just limited in how many you can have (level cap still exists)

I feel they need to remove FC's and just go all personal housing. Except for buff's FC's are locking players out most of the features anyways and the few feature that are useful can duplicated in another way.

I would appreciate it if the crafting stations remained relevant post level 50.

My idea on Gardens n airships

As for gardens n workshops... take the sobs out of houses period / or add to all along with...
Put gardening and workshops in your GC squad door...the higher rank you are the more garden plots you have access to and the more airships..as well as housing glam schimatics.. no need to have these locked to houses or FC the airships bring back crafting material people not in fc can use..if airships only brought back items say such as rare buff making materil i can see it but time to unlock these two from houses

There are 3 GC ranks now 1-Private/ 2-Sergeant /3- Lieutenant
Garden plots/air ships
Rank 1 16 plots 1 ship
Rank 2 24 plots 2 ships
Rank 3 32 plots 4 ships

Edit: guess for crossbreeding factors of 8 work

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Originally Posted by Keridwyn

I would appreciate it if the crafting stations remained relevant post level 50.

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They go up to 60 now. :)

My preference is for everything thats purely functional for a house should be put into a room in the same way the airships were put into a workshop.

Gardens should go in a greenhouse room.
Stables should go in a larger stable room (like you'd see at a horse farm).
Aetherial wheel stands should go in the workshop.
Aetherytes and mailboxes should be included as a part of the house and not a separate item.

The extra room door should be made available to all houses regardless if they're FC or not. Building airships solo sucks but if someone wants to put in the effort, let them; and while I enjoy the stupidly overpriced airship mats I get to sell, the market could use some more supply.

And if we really want to get crazy, lets have some glam options for the workshop (and other rooms). If we can build exteriors for our houses, why not interiors for it? or let us change the walls/floors/lighting like we can with the house itself.

i agree with most of that Alien_Gamer. make those into rooms you can upgrade for the choice if they should so choose

yea. even having the option to do at least the interior flooring/wallpaper/lighting for the special rooms would at least be a way to make your workshops more unique :)

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Originally Posted by Alien_Gamer

My preference is for everything thats purely functional for a house should be put into a room in the same way the airships were put into a workshop.

Gardens should go in a greenhouse room.
Stables should go in a larger stable room (like you'd see at a horse farm).
Aetherial wheel stands should go in the workshop.
Aetherytes and mailboxes should be included as a part of the house and not a separate item.
The extra room door should be made available to all houses regardless if they're FC or not.
if we really want to get crazy, lets have some glam options for the workshop (and other rooms). If we can build exteriors for our houses, why not interiors for it? or let us change the walls/floors/lighting like we can with the house itself.

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*I like this idea its a great one! it reduces inventory problems and its fun with housing as well as it makes sense if you think about it with the stable room they can even think to add in things to expand on!

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Originally Posted by gbe931

the proposed 4.2 Housing overhaul

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There's an overhaul coming? I thought it was just probably more wards.

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Originally Posted by Siniztor

My idea on Gardens n airships

As for gardens n workshops... take the sobs out of houses period / or add to all along with...
Put gardening and workshops in your GC squad door...the higher rank you are the more garden plots you have access to and the more airships..as well as housing glam schimatics.. no need to have these locked to houses or FC the airships bring back crafting material people not in fc can use..if airships only brought back items say such as rare buff making materil i can see it but time to unlock these two from houses

There are 3 GC ranks now 1-Private/ 2-Sergeant /3- Lieutenant
Garden plots/air ships
Rank 1 16 plots 1 ship
Rank 2 24 plots 2 ships
Rank 3 32 plots 4 ships

Edit: guess for crossbreeding factors of 8 work

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Damn, having to water 32 plots daily would be anoying though lol

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Originally Posted by Hasrat

There's an overhaul coming? I thought it was just probably more wards.

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That's the thing, everything is pure speculations at this point since they didn't really say much of value with the announcment.

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Originally Posted by Hasrat

There's an overhaul coming? I thought it was just probably more wards.

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Doubtful. Yoshi promised to look into the housing issue and let us know what they decide to do but he also implied we wouldn't hear anything before they start releasing details for 4.2. He also never said there would be an overhaul or new wards in 4.2, thats pure player speculation. Personally, I think new wards is likely because there isn't much work to that but doing any kind of overhaul or additional systems for housing would take longer than 3-4 months; it would be more likely to see a proposal in 4.2 and a fix in 4.3/4.4.

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Originally Posted by Alien_Gamer

Doubtful. Yoshi promised to look into the housing issue and let us know what they decide to do but he also implied we wouldn't hear anything before they start releasing details for 4.2. He also never said there would be an overhaul or new wards in 4.2, thats pure player speculation. Personally, I think new wards is likely because there isn't much work to that but doing any kind of overhaul or additional systems for housing would take longer than 3-4 months; it would be more likely to see a proposal in 4.2 and a fix in 4.3/4.4.

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I think we'll see a annuncment prior to 4.2 and see a change at 4.25.
Doubt we have to wait to 4.3 or 4.4 which means 12 months+ from now. It wont happen UNLESS they actually make a big overhaul, adding new wards wouldnt take a year to fix.

Yes, additional wards could be done by 4.2 but I wouldn't call that an overhaul or even expanding on the system. Until we hear something though, speculation is all we have.

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Originally Posted by Rinuko

Damn, having to water 32 plots daily would be anoying though lol
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LOL with the new crossbreeds my fc is running 11 gardens right now..all officers on water duty lol 88 plotsto water lol...we did pop 20 seeds first run not to bad thats 5 flying mounts for fc members

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Originally Posted by Hasrat

There's an overhaul coming? I thought it was just probably more wards.

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The only thing they said is just they will try to fix Housing problem in patch 4.2. But they won't announce anything just yet.
At worst, it really will be just "more wards", like....3 more wards for each area. And it most likely won't be instanced housing.

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Originally Posted by Siniztor

There are 3 GC ranks now 1-Private/ 2-Sergeant /3- Lieutenant
Garden plots/air ships
Rank 1 16 plots 1 ship
Rank 2 24 plots 2 ships
Rank 3 32 plots 4 ships

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Anything more than 1 garden patch (8 plots) and 1 airship is just overkill, for a single player. You're asking to give every player the gardening production of a mansion + one additional garden patch.
Even the airship is debatable, but I suppose they could allow players to have one personal airship, so they can bring 7 squadron members to do the now-dead Diadem.

As for company workshops, I'd rather keep them tied to Free Companies. Y'know, gives some reason to actually be apart of one.

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Originally Posted by Iveriad

The only thing they said is just they will try to fix Housing problem in patch 4.2. But they won't announce anything just yet.
At worst, it really will be just "more wards", like....3 more wards for each area. And it most likely won't be instanced housing.

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"Fix" could mean a lot of things, depending on what they see as the "problem."

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

Anything more than 1 garden patch (8 plots) and 1 airship is just overkill, for a single player. You're asking to give every player the gardening production of a mansion + one additional garden patch.
Even the airship is debatable, but I suppose they could allow players to have one personal airship, so they can bring 7 squadron members to do the now-dead Diadem.

As for company workshops, I'd rather keep them tied to Free Companies. Y'know, gives some reason to actually be apart of one.

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Not sure how its a overkill. ask anyone who i truly into gardening.im sure they run way more then 1 garden. even to grow your own carrots to feed your chicken + grow onions for it plus if you wanna say craft primal minions oh wait they just added the flying mount.. A player with the time gardening can run many spots.. specialy since your talking 5days + per crossbreed..

Why is the airship debatable?? The airship besides Diqadem brings back tons n tons of crafting materials for every crafter nothing fc related other then the stuff to open up schimatics.

A single play can use all of it. Ive been in fc' that wouldnt allow members access t things brought back like dino fossils or my fav. you know who you are on Coeurl lol charged its members 80% of MB price.for FC money lol when theres nothing to spend fc money on. My self the fc irun all players are allowed any materials and fc ships can be sent out for what ever they want if they ask. The only use for FC money in my fc is to buy members fc roomsw we buy all members rooms when they hit the 30 days active mark (and we make tons of material and thingsp eople dont want Zu mounts, shrubs.

So yea wile were talking making them available..So i do think theres a debate on why people should have them

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Originally Posted by Iveriad

The only thing they said is just they will try to fix Housing problem in patch 4.2. But they won't announce anything just yet.
At worst, it really will be just "more wards", like....3 more wards for each area. And it most likely won't be instanced housing.

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Can you please share where you got that.i don't rember seeing that the only thing i do remeber is Yoshi post where it said

" In light of the feedback we have received, we will be working to bolster our servers in preparation for additional wards in the Lavender Beds, the Goblet, Mist, and Shirogane by patch 4.2.

We’ve also received considerable feedback as to how they should be added, and we will be making an announcement outlining the number of new wards and how they will be sold after reviewing said feedback."

That there preparing the servers to add more wards. and will be making an announcement outlining the number of new wards and how they will be sold .nothing about fixing housing or revamping the housing system
Im honeslty intrested cause i must of missed a post

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...g-in-Patch-4.1

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Originally Posted by Siniztor

Can you please share where you got that.i don't rember seeing that the only thing i do remeber is Yoshi post where it said

Im honeslty intrested cause i must of missed a post

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I didn't say anything about revamping. That's exactly what I meant. More wards and reviewing feedbacks.
Depending on which feedback they actually agree with, it could be anything.

For now, only "more wards" is certain.

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Originally Posted by Iveriad

I didn't say anything about revamping. That's exactly what I meant. More wards and reviewing feedbacks.
Depending on which feedback they actually agree with, it could be anything.

For now, only "more wards" is certain.

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Ahh ok i misuderstood the "fix the problem" part thought you ment it was from a dev some where :)

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

Anything more than 1 garden patch (8 plots) and 1 airship is just overkill, for a single player. You're asking to give every player the gardening production of a mansion + one additional garden patch.
Even the airship is debatable, but I suppose they could allow players to have one personal airship, so they can bring 7 squadron members to do the now-dead Diadem.

As for company workshops, I'd rather keep them tied to Free Companies. Y'know, gives some reason to actually be apart of one.

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You obviously don't do gardening. 1 garden patch is hardly enough if you doing any type of crossbreeding. 2 is a minimum for a single player.
I have access to 7 patches and i feel like im limited with what i want to do.

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Originally Posted by Rinuko

You obviously don't do gardening. 1 garden patch is hardly enough if you doing any type of crossbreeding. 2 is a minimum for a single player.
I have access to 7 patches and i feel like im limited with what i want to do.

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Originally Posted by Siniztor

Not sure how its a overkill. ask anyone who i truly into gardening.im sure they run way more then 1 garden. even to grow your own carrots to feed your chicken + grow onions for it plus if you wanna say craft primal minions oh wait they just added the flying mount.. A player with the time gardening can run many spots.. specialy since your talking 5days + per crossbreed..

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Both of you are completely misunderstanding my point. The average player doesn't have access to more than 1 gardening patch (8 plots), because it's only possible to get more than 1 gardening patch when owning a medium or large house (2 patches with a medium, 3 with a large). Asking to give every single player access to more than 1 patch would essentially give everyone the production rate of a player/FC owning a mansion.

Let's look at the numbers here:

There's currently 288 large, 672 medium and 1,920 small plots in game, this makes for a total of 4,128 potential gardening patches per server.
Now let's take Siniztor's suggestion, assuming 7,500 characters (a randomly picked amount, but not far fetched when looking at server populations). Let's assume 25% of these have reached rank 3, 50% have reached rank 2, and the last remaining 25% are still at rank 1. This puts the total amount of potential gardening patches at 22,500. Oh look, you've just quintupled the gardening supply, I sure wonder how that'll affect the demand! (/sarcasm).
Now let's assume all these players reach rank 3, that's a potential of 30,000 gardening patches, over 7 times the current amount of potential gardening patches.

Man, just imagine all of these players cross-breeding cloudsbreath in all their 4 patches. There'd be a possible 240,000 cloudsbreath seeds after 5 days, totaling at 480,000 cloudsbreath available 5 days after that! Magnificent, the server just produced the materials for 60,000 flying chairs in just over 1 week! I guess they'll have to discard 52,500 of them, since there'd only be 7,500 characters to actually learn them.
Or maybe they should all grow krakka roots. Who ordered 4,320,000 krakka roots after just 3 days? Wow, that's enough krakka roots to feed every chocobo for each of those 7,500 characters for 24 days, and that's when feeding them all every single hour. (/sarcasm)

If you feel limited with 7 patches, you're obviously trying to get everything at the same time, which isn't something that the devs intended. You have to prioritize what you'd want to grow first. Yes, it'll take time to get every minion and mount from gardening, but things generally take time in an MMO, XIV is not an exception in that.

As for the assumption that I don't do gardening, I've done the glazenut and mandragora farming back in 2.x, the blood pepper farming in 3.x, and currently the cloudsbreath farming, and I've been just fine with the 2 gardening patches that I have access to with my FC. Yes, it'll take a while to get everyone mounts, but this isn't a feature that's supposed to get you everything in a minimum amount of time.

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Originally Posted by Siniztor

Why is the airship debatable?? The airship besides Diqadem brings back tons n tons of crafting materials for every crafter nothing fc related other then the stuff to open up schimatics.

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It's debatable because it's currently one of the few reasons to even join an FC, why take away from that? Hence why I would limit it to just 1 airship per player, because it'd be incredibly silly for every player to be owning a fleet of 4 airships.

You said that more than 1 patch overkill for a single player. I have to disagree as you get very limited if you do crossbreeding.
Me feeling im limited was a joke but i guess it went over your head.

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

It's debatable because it's currently one of the few reasons to even join an FC, why take away from that? Hence why I would limit it to just 1 airship per player, because it'd be incredibly silly for every player to be owning a fleet of 4 airships.

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Ok i see your a seller so you dont want everyone to have the chance at gardening what every they want.

And ill admit i've been to balmug but lest on my server ive never heard of a single player joing a fc for the airship.

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Originally Posted by Rinuko

You said that more than 1 patch overkill for a single player. I have to disagree as you get very limited if you do crossbreeding.

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That's okay, you think it's not overkill, I think it's overkill. They're both opinions. However, it's not limited. You can still crossbreed with 1 patch, it'll just take a bit longer to grow things.

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Originally Posted by Rinuko

Me feeling im limited was a joke but i guess it went over your head.

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Humour doesn't translate well with just text, hence the (/sarcasm) in my post.

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Originally Posted by Siniztor

Ok i see your a seller so you dont want everyone to have the chance at gardening what every they want.

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Sure, I've sold the excess stuff after the FC people interested had been provided with the minions they wanted. What else would I do with it? Discard it?
Your suggestion would essentially make the feature useless after a bit less than 2 week, since everyone would be able to get every new thing out of it within that timeframe. The stockpile of said materials would then pile up to the point where everyone would get any further new thing (when crafted with the same material) on the very first patch day, at the cost of a penny.

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Originally Posted by Siniztor

And ill admit i've been to balmug but lest on my server ive never heard of a single player joing a fc for the airship.

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Which is why my post said one of the few reasons, not the only reason. Aside from airships and FC buffs, can you name another thing that someone would be missing by not joining an FC?

Can I please get a TT card vendor at my house?
Tired of traveling to the Gold Saucer just to trade away the 50th copy of that Poisontail guy from Skalla.