Make them super rewarding and/or weekly only. I want to be able to go back and reliably do older content synced and be rewarded appropriately for it. Mentor roulette for coaching 7 green leafs with 10 creation tomestones isn't very enjoyable.
I'm ready for expert primal and normal/savage raid roulettes
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10-27-2017, 12:29 PMMithronI'm ready for expert primal and normal/savage raid roulettes
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10-27-2017, 01:26 PMbswpaytonSadly they prob want do this maybe the normal raid roulleteQuote:
Originally Posted by Mithron
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10-27-2017, 02:54 PMFoxyAreku
No. Never.
I'd maybe be okay with a normal raid roulette that only includes omega and alexander normal, but savage and coil is for statics only and require an amount of coordination that cannot be expected from your average pug group.
Honestly don't know why you'd even want to subject yourself to the headache. Seems a bit sadistic, no offense. -
10-27-2017, 04:26 PMPaladinleeds
I can agree insofar as the Alex and Omega roulette, and potentially expert primals (since Mentor Roulette has them). Expert primals however could be up for further debate as when a mentor gets them in mentor roulette, you better buckle up because you're gonna be in for a heck of a ride (Source: first-hand experience, and that was only Garuda Ex). Savage raids though, and coil, there's a reason they're not included in Mentor Roulette.
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10-27-2017, 04:53 PMYISUGyou talk like you would be forced to do it if they add itQuote:
Originally Posted by FoxyAreku
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10-27-2017, 04:59 PMYoukulm
People already leave when they get a extreme primal in mentor duty roulette. No one would q for this unless you could go in with a full party and the rewards were insane.
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10-27-2017, 05:24 PMBillyKaplan
+1 on there being a roulette for the regular 8-person raids. Omega, Alex, and even the NM Coils because it's a pain in the neck to get into one of those without a PF or unsynced.
Even if they awarded 100 Creation daily, it wouldn't be enjoyable to disband after 3 attempts because you're the only person who knows what they're doing in there.Quote:
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10-27-2017, 06:03 PMJoe777
A normal raid roulette would be alright I guess. That way Coils and Alex would see some attendance. Admittedly, a few of the Coils bosses are tough to defeat, but the rest of Coils is easy enough.
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10-27-2017, 06:39 PMmagnanimousCynicT1: Extremely tough if tanks can't keep mini-ADS adds away from miniboss or keep snakes apart. Otherwise fairly simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe777
T2: Do Enrage strat if you don't want to pull your hair out trying to do Allagan Rot. Just trust me on that.
T3: This shouldn't go in the Coil Roulette period. It drops no Tomestones/coffers and you could theoretically do this with 1 tank and 1 healer.
T4: Very easy to rush through. Just make sure to kill rooks ASAP to avoid Pox debuff.
T5: Conflagrations, Fireballs, Twisters, and Dreadknights will make this absolute hell to clear. Divebombs will also be hell if people can't manage to do the cheese correctly.
T6: Easy if you use a macro to tell people to break tethers.
T7: Absolute hell. People will give Melusine a ton of damage stacks or accidentally kill the petrified Renaulds. It's even worse since the Gaze mechanic doesn't automatically happen once the cast time finishes, unlike every Gaze mechanic in 3.0 or later.
T8: Missle Tether, Mines, and Allagan Field have high wipe potential. Towers should be somewhat manageable with macros telling people where to go.
T9: Just forget about attempting this one. The amount of instant death or instant wipe mechanics will make this unbearable.
T10: The mechanics revolved around Heat Lightning can easily wipe a ton of people. Do not recommend.
T11: Barometer+dodging breaths will trip up a lot of people. Attempting to kill Cube/Sphere add at the same time will be hard, due to physical/magical resistance on both. Tethers will be most definitely kill a ton of people with the coordination you need.
T12: Blackfire is easy to mess up accidentally. DPS/Healing check during adds will be very tough. Blue/Red fire will cause a good amount of wipes. Brands can be done painlessly if you let someone that knows how it works to do it. The Fire Fountain has good wipe potential along with the adds targeting people for mini divebombs.
T13: Yeah no. Megaflare will wipe people, Earthshakers will be a mess, balls will wipe people, Diresaur will get buffed by eating tiny dragons, Tornadoes will easily kill DPS, Ahk Morn needs dedicated cooldown rotations.
Overall I'd say that T1, T2, T4, T6, T8, and MAYBE T7 or T12 are somewhat friendly to people entering for the first time. So around 5 or 6/12 Turns, 3 of which from BCoB, would be somewhat clearable with random people assuming most of them are new. -
10-27-2017, 07:14 PMKaivaC
This….is a bad idea for the NA datacenters. You could probably inplement this with JPN datacenters, but definitely not here with NA. People started abandoning after two wipes on patch day (freaking patch day) on Rabanastre. No amount of rewards will keep this savage/expert roulette aiive. Normal 8-man raids are a different story though. I could see that being a thing, though we already have enough roulettes. I would roll these into something else…like expert roulettes. I mean, you do have to know your stuff for these 8-man runs.
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10-27-2017, 08:16 PMNocturniaUzuki
Honestly, though, the only way SQEX can revive old content is to find a way to get the material-reward-obsessed masses to run them. And to do that, there have to be material rewards. I would personally recommend locking mounts behind at least synced mode with a mediocre drop rate and giving MinIL a much better rate. People will cry "but I'm a completionist and 'need' to get the items" but completionism is a challenge you signed on for. These items shouldn't be handed out like candy. They lose all meaning at that point anyways.
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10-28-2017, 08:14 AMSilver-StriderSTOP IT!!!!Quote:
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10-28-2017, 06:31 PMPaladinleedsSimple. Convert Castrum Meridianum and The Praetorium into solo duties (remember those squadrons? Perhaps for Castrum and Prae your GC assigns a squadron on your behalf for the duty?), have this roulette replace Main Scenario Roulette.Quote:
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10-28-2017, 06:57 PMBillyKaplanWhile it would solve the problem of people finishing the instance by the time you've finished the one cutscene, I'm kind of meh on them taking away the one instance where we canonically have allies with us.Quote:
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10-28-2017, 09:10 PMXlantaa
People if not Unsych, the don't care about old primals anymore. They want the Lazy mode. I really lie do Ex primals or Coil in their original level. But no one cares anymore.
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10-30-2017, 03:14 AMMithron
I regularly do 50 ex primals synced in DF, it's how I farmed all my ponies and birds pre-4.0. I think with this as a weekly roulette or something, and if it had enough of an enticing reward, the quality of players you would get with it especially over time as you regularly run it would increase and you'd have most fights pretty well down pat, while being able to coach the first time players through it. I would love that, that's why I play this game.
Now in 4.0 I'm in the mood to run some Sophia again or maybe Sephirot, but no one's gonna do it synced and getting a group together just for that isn't feasible. We need a roulette to keep older content relevant. I'm already bored of Susano/Lakshmi/Shinryu ex, there's no reason to let all this good older content go to waste.