Demi-Bahamut's Wyrmwave

Devs (quality of life suggestion):p

Please consider adding a form of projectile effect (highlighted stream) or other type of visible (with the ability to toggle it on/off) to:

Wyrmwave
Lv. 70
Spell Instant 1.5s - 100y
0y Deals unaspected damage with a potency of 160.
Will only execute while Demi-Bahamut is summoned.

I know for me, as a career smn, it's difficult to see exactly when the wyrmwave executes with all other actions/movements going off during battle in-game.

Thanks!

Bahamut makes a small movement animation (just like Bahamut Prime does in Final Coil of Bahamut - Turn 4... sorry, spoilers) during Wyrmwave, so you can tell you just have to pay a lot of attention.

A slightly more noticeable animation would be fine, but keep looking for it and practicing the rotation with it, and you'll get the hang of it.

In terms of quality of life adjustments pertaining to Wyrmwave, personal I would like to see the removal of the current execution requirement which would then be replaced with behavior similar to the turret of a Machinist. Demi-Bahamut would repeatedly execute Wyrmwave against the latest target attacked by the Summoner. (This assumes that they won't make Demi-Bahamut pertain to the normal pet rules of a Summoner.)

If the reason for locking Aetherflow out from Dreadwyrm Trance had anything to do with shortening the skill gap between players, proper execution of Wyrmwave is even worse. The Wyrmwave interaction is a clunky mechanic, leading to Addle being used as a source of damage which strikes me as unintentional.

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If the reason for locking Aetherflow out from Dreadwyrm Trance had anything to do with shortening the skill gap between players, proper execution of Wyrmwave is even worse. The Wyrmwave interaction is a clunky mechanic, leading to Addle being used as a source of damage which strikes me as unintentional.

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I'm not sure most SMN would agree with the loss of 4 wyrmwave every 2min, even if it will be diluted in the flow. However, it would probably fix some issues regarding SMN tremendous DPS. (which is one thing I hardly get why it's ignored by SE)

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Originally Posted by Xiozen

Devs (quality of life suggestion):p

Please consider adding a form of projectile effect (highlighted stream) or other type of visible (with the ability to toggle it on/off) to:

Wyrmwave
Lv. 70
Spell Instant 1.5s - 100y
0y Deals unaspected damage with a potency of 160.
Will only execute while Demi-Bahamut is summoned.

I know for me, as a career smn, it's difficult to see exactly when the wyrmwave executes with all other actions/movements going off during battle in-game.

Thanks!

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Agreed. It's definitely hard to watch for Bahamut's Elvis impersonation hip thrusts while crap is happening all around you.

I'd much rather being able to see ww's cooldown on an icon (or part of the gauge) like we can see other actions than having it be more directly visible on Bahamut.

There's a lack of visibility in knowing which actions are definitely triggering the next wyrm wave that really could be improved upon.

I mentioned the same in the other thread, but the idea of Bahamut using Wyrmwave when you do a DAMAGE attack (so not Addle, but maybe Tri-Disaster could be an exception) is fine, but during Bahamut Ruin II should automatically be upgraded to Ruin IV the whole time, and his hesitation to use the skills while moving needs to be fixed immediately (as well as the Akh Morn "ghosting")


I'll also say again from the other thread that SMN is insanely powerful right now and needs a nerf MUCH sooner than it needs any more quality of life or buffs. So yep.

Would a user macro with /macroicon <wyrmwave> be helpful to see if it's been used? I had to do make something like that and place it next to my character on another job earlier.
I don't play summoner and i'm not sure why you need to watch for wyrmwaves. Ruin IV procs maybe? -I really wanna see if the game doesn't let you do this for some reason, but it's down for maintenance atm.

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Originally Posted by Geowulf

Would a user macro with /macroicon <wyrmwave>
I don't play summoner and i'm not sure why you need to watch for wyrmwaves. Ruin IV procs maybe?

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wws are kind of autoatks from bahamut which have a short cd like every skill (backdrop: their cd isn't visible in your xbar) - the fact that they are bind to your own actions forces you to keep being aware if he triggered a ww or not. if you spam your own skills while ww is on cd you create a dps loss in your burst phase. Ruin iv procs are visible ever since.

so a visual that makes the wws more clearly would be nice in someway... could be an animation or just a blinking red eye on the trance gauge - doesn't really matter how but yeah that would made live quality even easier ^^

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Originally Posted by Llugen

I'll also say again from the other thread that SMN is insanely powerful right now and needs a nerf MUCH sooner than it needs any more quality of life or buffs. So yep.

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Until I see SMN as a regular occurrence for speedkills, I'm going to disagree here. NIN needs to be brought down, and the synergy between DRG, BRD, and MCH needs to be toned down by removing Disembowel (and not compensate BRD or MCH for the loss associated with not having it since they bring a fair amount of both offensive and defensive utility).

On topic, Bahamut really needs better AI. We spam Ruin 2 while he's active due to how Wyrmwave works, but at the same time we are at our least mobile point in our rotation because movement messes with Bahamut's AI and causes him to delay Wyrmwaves and especially Akh Morn. He should really prioritize using skills over moving.

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Originally Posted by Semmi

Until I see SMN as a regular occurrence for speedkills, I'm going to disagree here. NIN needs to be brought down, and the synergy between DRG, BRD, and MCH needs to be toned down by removing Disembowel (and not compensate BRD or MCH for the loss associated with not having it since they bring a fair amount of both offensive and defensive utility).

On topic, Bahamut really needs better AI. We spam Ruin 2 while he's active due to how Wyrmwave works, but at the same time we are at our least mobile point in our rotation because movement messes with Bahamut's AI and causes him to delay Wyrmwaves and especially Akh Morn. He should really prioritize using skills over moving.

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yep exactly - the only thing (and one of the biggest issues ever since...) left to fix.
The movement > skill prio is damn stupid. Whats the deal with his 100y range anyway if he starts moving after you left him 3y behind? q.q

You just said it yourself, the real reason SMN isn't taken in speed killing is because of the disembowel synergy with both BRD and MCH. This says nothing of how powerful SMN is just of how the synergy of the meta is (which also needs fixing, by the way). Not all jobs will ever "be meta" so to state that yours needs to be otherwise it must not need nerfing is highly illogical.

As it stands, SMN is absolutely the strongest caster and has the highest utility of the casters. See also: needs a nerf.

This is a bit hypercritical dontcha think? What happened to the coms philosophy to aim for balance buffs instead of nerfs? Just thinking of all the Sam & Rdm op threads. Sure they overdone it on smn but yeah just wondering why smn deserves a nerf now instead of buffing xyz ^^‘

I guess it always depends on which side yourself is actually staying hu?

I've always been against buffs to all jobs rather than nerfs to one job, it's how we end up in bad situations like we're in right now with BRD/MCH. People complained and complained and complained and now MCH is insanely strong and once again meta instead of ANY caster. I think it was Remedi who pointed out this is exactly how the "power creep" works.

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Originally Posted by Llugen

I've always been against buffs to all jobs rather than nerfs to one job, it's how we end up in bad situations like we're in right now with BRD/MCH. People complained and complained and complained and now MCH is insanely strong and once again meta instead of ANY caster. I think it was Remedi who pointed out this is exactly how the "power creep" works.

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It is how power creep works, but as long as BRD and MCH (and DRG and NIN) remain as strong as they are, I will not say that SMN needs a nerf. With the way things are at the moment, BLM needs a lot of help, and RDM needs to do enough damage or bring enough raid DPS by buffing Embolden to be able to compete on some level. SMN is strong as a caster, with its 2 main competing classes (BLM and RDM) both being bad in one aspect or another.