Monk

Monk

Dragon Kick - Delivers a twofold melee attack. Combo Action: Sucker Punch Combo Bonus: Chance to render target unable to use weaponskills.
Hundred Fists - Temporarily increases attack speed. (15 min recast)
Kick - Adds kicks to auto-attacks. Effect fades upon reuse. MP is consumed while effect is active.
Sap - Prevents target from executing actions or moving. MP is consumed while effect is active. Effect fades upon executing an action, or if you or the target sustain damage.
Fists of Wind - Converts your attacks into wind attacks and grants a bonus to physical evasion. Effect fades upon reuse. MP is consumed while effect is active. Cannot be used simultaneously with Fists of Fire.

Monk -Pugilist level 30 and lancer level 15.

Available Class-specific Actions
Lancer/Archer

shouldn't sap be given to the thief class?

So fists of Wind, Earth and Kicks can be on at the same time?
We only get one unique attack though :/

Why sap should be thief? We need MP dammit! :P j/k

just seems like theif/rogue ability

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Originally Posted by Meleena

So fists of Wind, Earth and Kicks can be on at the same time?
We only get one unique attack though :/

Why sap should be thief? We need MP dammit! :P j/k

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Fists of Wind can't be used with Fists of Earth either, just kicks.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...764#post449764

Check the PGL/MNK ability list.
(Converts your attacks into wind attacks and grants a bonus to evasion. Effect fades upon reuse. MP is continually consumed while effect is active. Cannot be used simultaneously with PGL Ability 5 or PGL Ability 6.)

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Originally Posted by ShadowCadja

Fists of Wind can't be used with Fists of Earth either, just kicks.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...764#post449764

Check the PGL/MNK ability list.
(Converts your attacks into wind attacks and grants a bonus to evasion. Effect fades upon reuse. MP is continually consumed while effect is active. Cannot be used simultaneously with PGL Ability 5 or PGL Ability 6.)

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Yeah, but that's been out a while. Whatever knite's translating from seems newer. . .

It's not newer really. It's a loose translation that didn't consult the reform list. Assume reform list is the final authority.

yea was to lazy to match the reform list with the actual abilites for the most part still the same thing

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Originally Posted by knite23

just seems like theif/rogue ability

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You sure it's not because rogue in WoW has sap? >.>

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Originally Posted by Dawiichan

You sure it's not because rogue in WoW has sap? >.>

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nope thats why i originally post thief did monk have a sap ability in ff11 i dont think it did. just an opinion since saping would help thieves steal and run away :-)

Uh...Sap sounds broken as hell. Unless it takes a ton of MP per second or something.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...Lists?p=449764
MNK Abl. 3 - Prevents target from executing actions or moving. MP is continually consumed while effect is active. Effect fades upon executing an action, or if you or the target sustain damage.

That'd be the balancing factor. MP drain will probably be severe, or some mobs will boast a resistance. Incredibly useful applications if you don't mind being 1 man down for a while DD-wise, imo.

sap is situational probably wont even stick on most mobs or boss fights

Incredibly situational skill. It will have very clear purposes, but will be utterly useless outside of those. I honestly don't even expect a large CD, the balance is already in the skill.

It actually has a lot of use as a tanking ability, assuming it doesn't fail on everything. If you're tanking something and it does a big attack, your low HP or mages are low MP. Tell your DD you are then pop Sap. It essentially freezes the fight then and allows you to catch up healing or MP. Of course.... assuming you HAVE mp lol.

Monk didn't use MP in FFXI so no.

Assuming there is only one target and it is not highly resistable then this ability will be somewhat usefull in parties.
I wonder what will be the duration of the effect, propably 10-20 secs?

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Originally Posted by Meleena

Monk didn't use MP in FFXI so no.

Assuming there is only one target and it is not highly resistable then this ability will be somewhat usefull in parties.
I wonder what will be the duration of the effect, propably 10-20 secs?

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The duration seems indefinite, balanced only by MP drain and being unable to deal damage to target or use any ability yourself. If it only lasted 10-20 seconds it'd be nothing more than a glorified Stun. Hell Pounce has a 10s Stun.

Also, the "freeze the fight" scenario to recover when fighting a single enemy is the only useful party situation I can think of.

I seriously doubt that you could pause lets say Ifrit fight indefinitely.
If this can happen then the ability is overpowered unless the cooldown is like 10 mins or 90% resistable.

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Originally Posted by Meleena

I seriously doubt that you could pause lets say Ifrit fight indefinitely.
If this can happen then the ability is overpowered unless the cooldown is like 10 mins or 90% resistable.

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I'm sure there will be resistances and immunities. Ifrit would be a good example for immunity. He's scripted after all.

well you also got to take inconsideration a lot of things in the game now will probably have greater use later on in the game like the resistance matiera, sap, etc. so sooner or later a fight will come when that skill will be very valuable

You could use it to lock down a non-sleepable add.

It sounds like it'll be amazing for letting you or your group get combos off especially on mobs that do a lot of random moving like... moogles......

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Originally Posted by Shiggysonson

It sounds like it'll be amazing for letting you or your group get combos off especially on mobs that do a lot of random moving like... moogles......

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Not really. As soon as the target takes damage the effect ends.

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Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra

Not really. As soon as the target takes damage the effect ends.

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Yeah I know, but I still think it would be helpful. Of course it would depend on the cooldown and the group setup.

We need better MP reconstitution abilities. That is all I have to add.

Aww..I was so excited to see if they would impliment Sap...and if they did if it would be like FF12 :( son I am dissapoint

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Originally Posted by Vackashken

We need better MP reconstitution abilities. That is all I have to add.

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Agreed. I honestly don't know why they don't just turn Second Wind into Chakra and give it HP/MP restoration. I tried Sanguine Rite after taking the time to get a Thaumaturge to 30 and it's completely and utterly useless. If they don't want other classes getting access to that kind of MP healing, make it a trait for Pugilist only that adds the MP heal. That'd be a far better trait than say, Swift Taunt.

Swift Taunt is kinda helping your MP, you can Featherfoot > Taunt now that Featherfoot seems to almost guarantee an evade.

PGL is fine with MP. MNK will have BRD.

Remember. Balance. I'm going to say something a lot of you probably won't agree with or won't want to hear. If you are running out of MP that fast, you either aren't a great Pgl or you aren't used to the new Pgl. There is a reason each stance only has a ten second recast. Turn it off when not using it, moving or it's not increasing damage much and low on MP. As said, use Taunt > Featherfoot every chance you get. Furthermore Sucker Punch gets 200 MP every time on even mediocre damage, and is near instant recast. If you're worried "well then I have to sucker punch only and lose damage" Pgl AA is a large chunck of their damage, and Howling Fist is currently the strongest WS in the game. If you this you will have a lot of MP, and yeah you'll still run out but fists add a lot of damage, and having this full time, especially with kick attacks would be over powered.

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Originally Posted by silverdragontyr

Remember. Balance. I'm going to say something a lot of you probably won't agree with or won't want to hear. If you are running out of MP that fast, you either aren't a great Pgl or you aren't used to the new Pgl. There is a reason each stance only has a ten second recast. Turn it off when not using it, moving or it's not increasing damage much and low on MP. As said, use Taunt > Featherfoot every chance you get. Furthermore Sucker Punch gets 200 MP every time on even mediocre damage, and is near instant recast. If you're worried "well then I have to sucker punch only and lose damage" Pgl AA is a large chunck of their damage, and Howling Fist is currently the strongest WS in the game. If you this you will have a lot of MP, and yeah you'll still run out but fists add a lot of damage, and having this full time, especially with kick attacks would be over powered.

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i agree op

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Originally Posted by silverdragontyr

As said, use Taunt > Featherfoot every chance you get. Furthermore Sucker Punch gets 200 MP every time on even mediocre damage, and is near instant recast. If you're worried "well then I have to sucker punch only and lose damage" Pgl AA is a large chunck of their damage, and Howling Fist is currently the strongest WS in the game. If you this you will have a lot of MP, and yeah you'll still run out but fists add a lot of damage, and having this full time, especially with kick attacks would be over powered.

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I agree with most the of the stuff you're saying, but I don't get people saying "lol use Taunt". You're going to be in one of three situations with a Pugilist, and in two of them Taunt is typically a bad idea:

A: You're soloing. There's no point to using Taunt because the enemy is already attacking you. Just use Featherfoot by itself.

B: You're in a group, and you use Taunt and pull aggro from the tank, potentially making things more difficult on your group and at worst case scenario screwing everything up just so you can get your 100-200 MP back off a Featherfoot.

C: You ARE the tank, which is not very likely anymore as Pugilist is a DD class now and is not often used as a tank for things, even though it still can to a degree. In this event, Taunting is fine I guess even though the enemy is already attacking you because it generates enmity.

Taunt is pretty damn useless for forcing Featherfoots IMO, it should only be used for what it was made for: pulling enemy aggro off the tank if he's hurt or someone getting jumped because the tank couldn't hold aggro in an emergency.

In B, Taunt (if coordinated) offers the tank a breather and gives you a possible Haymaker stun.

Taunt only temporarily makes you the target and doesn't actually add any/very much enmity at all, and it lasts for only a few seconds. You taking 1-2 swings isn't going to get your party killed and if you get hit you always have Second Wind, and, as was brought up, a possible Haymaker stun is awesome. Of course, certain NMs are dangerous to do this with but if you're smart about it it won't be an issue.

Yea the purpose of Taunt really is to temporarily attract attention, likely for a Featherfoot + Haymaker. With the 200+ MP you gain from Featherfoot and the 5s Stun that is not interrupted via attacks this can be a great clutch move to save the tank.

Like others have said, it doesn't generate much enmity at all.

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Originally Posted by Estellios

Taunt only temporarily makes you the target and doesn't actually add any/very much enmity at all, and it lasts for only a few seconds. You taking 1-2 swings isn't going to get your party killed and if you get hit you always have Second Wind, and, as was brought up, a possible Haymaker stun is awesome. Of course, certain NMs are dangerous to do this with but if you're smart about it it won't be an issue.

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This! :D ^ Taunt only gives temporary hate for 5 seconds then fades

The awkward moment where you taunt ifrit and he uses incinerate on melees :P j/k

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Originally Posted by Meleena

The awkward moment where you taunt ifrit and he uses incinerate on melees :P j/k

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lol agree <.< ooops did i do that

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Originally Posted by Meleena

The awkward moment where you taunt ifrit and he uses incinerate on melees :P j/k

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Yeah, this was more of the situation I was referring to, not totally taking away the enmity from the tank. The temporary 5 seconds or so when you Taunt just so happening to coincide with a big hitter that the tank was facing away from the party to avoid, and such.

And how are folks getting over 200 MP on Featherfoot? Even on my 50 on Trabia I get like, 170 max.

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Originally Posted by AlphaDragoon

Yeah, this was more of the situation I was referring to, not totally taking away the enmity from the tank. The temporary 5 seconds or so when you Taunt just so happening to coincide with a big hitter that the tank was facing away from the party to avoid, and such.

And how are folks getting over 200 MP on Featherfoot? Even on my 50 on Trabia I get like, 170 max.

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It seems like there's a range, but I have gotten like 210 pretty often. Worth noting PGL recovers more MP.... just in case lol

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Originally Posted by AlphaDragoon

Yeah, this was more of the situation I was referring to, not totally taking away the enmity from the tank. The temporary 5 seconds or so when you Taunt just so happening to coincide with a big hitter that the tank was facing away from the party to avoid, and such.

And how are folks getting over 200 MP on Featherfoot? Even on my 50 on Trabia I get like, 170 max.

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Well obviously there's some situations you wouldn't want to do that =P Since the Ifrit fight focuses very heavily on keeping hate on the tank at all times so he doesn't get blown up it's an exception rather than the rule. For regular party stuff taking hate from the tank for a second generally isn't a big deal.