8 man pt, why isnt my name in the the pt list?

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How I math?

I'm down with complaining about something when it's out of place or poorly implemented, but come-on dude, having your name on both the list and under you is redundant. Is it that hard to count and add 1?

no thanks, it is fine that we get our own bar.

If you are that desperate, move your bar above the PT list.

they actually already confirmed that this will be implemented.

http://memedump.com/d/1225-8/yo-dawg-xzibit-48.jpg

Yo dawg, I heard you like seeing your HP bar...

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Originally Posted by viion

no thanks, it is fine that we get our own bar.

If you are that desperate, move your bar above the PT list.

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No thanks :P

Almost every MMO has your character in the main party UI, as someone else said though they do plan to add it eventually and I'm sure come 2.0 there will be loads of UI addons to change the look of the party frame.

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Originally Posted by aikawananase

some serious class in this community....
its in the 2.0 pic and was in 11.

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don't worry. most of the people who think it's not important having all player names in the party list likely haven't ever seriously raided (especially not as a heal/support role) in any MMO outside of this game.

It's coming. If FFXIV teaches you anything, it's that patience is a virtue.

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Originally Posted by fusional

don't worry. most of the people who think it's not important having all player names in the party list likely haven't ever seriously raided (especially not as a heal/support role) in any MMO outside of this game.

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Exactly.

This change will be most welcome.

I have my name right above the party list :)

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Originally Posted by aikawananase

kill me for saying 11, but in 11 my name was in the list on my side pt menu.
why cant i be there also.
easier to notice we got 1 or 2 more ppl to add instead of thinkin oh ya im 1 + 6 = 7
why wasnt this part of it?

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sorry to say.. but can you write whole sentences ? 11? 11 eggs? in a party of 11 people?
annoying to read ;X

At least "FF11" would have been great^ i was wondering... heh* what does he mean by 11?

it's obvious what he means. L2contextclues

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Originally Posted by Zahak

I have my name right above the party list :)

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awesome, cool, great. but it's a ghetto fix to a real problem.

imagine, if you will, using GRID in WoW- not seeing yourself in the raid list, and having to drag your character HP bar over the top of your GRID to target yourself 'conveniently' using your mouse

we learn to make do with clunky controls and lag, but that's hardly an excuse to keep white-knighting a woefully inefficient design. little things like this cost a heal/support precious fractions of a second when trying to quickly move from target to target.

not to mention it's a visual eyesore, and makes little sense.

between having to double click your target and not having yourself in the party menu, healing in this game is awfully awkward. we shouldn't have to teach ourselves wonky new ways to play just to work around this.

fix targeting, fix party list.

You're information is wrong. They didn't add your name to the party list. They added the parties names to your solo list!

DUHHHHHHHHH.

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Originally Posted by fusional

imagine, if you will, using GRID in WoW- not seeing yourself in the raid list, and having to drag your character HP bar over the top of your GRID to target yourself 'conveniently' using your mouse

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If we're gonna keep mentioning WoW, I'm going to have to set things straight. WoW never added your character to the party list; they built the party list around your character. That is, until you joined a raid, at which point your character name disappeared from its original position to take its place buried somewhere in the raid list, which, as I recall, sucked horribly without mods.

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Originally Posted by Viridiana

If we're gonna keep mentioning WoW, I'm going to have to set things straight. WoW never added your character to the party list; they built the party list around your character. That is, until you joined a raid, at which point your character name disappeared from its original position to take its place buried somewhere in the raid list, which, as I recall, sucked horribly without mods.

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and? first of all, i specifically used the raid list as an example, not the party list. second, even using your example the FFXIV party list system still sucks because it still leaves you out of the list (where the WoW party list includes you)

then you say that you recall it "sucked horribly without mods"

you must not have been doing much raiding, yourself, because:

1. i specifically mention GRID in my example, which is a mod. and not only is it a mod, it is the BEST mod for serious healers. (i dare any of you to say healbot and expect to be taken seriously)

2. blizzard tweaked and improved their own raid frames over time to mimic a lot of what the top raid frames addons were doing, so it really wasn't terribly different aside from lacking some more in-depth functionality and customization options.

and finally, if you had issues finding your name in the raid list, and this was a legitimate problem for you- you either weren't a healer or you were simply bad. and if you disagree with this assessment- show me your time-relevant raid achievements. (in other words, finishing content before it becomes trivialized by new gear 30 item levels higher)

really all you're doing is underscoring my point that the people who keep white knighting the current "no player in party list" design are people who either haven't had much of any MMO experience outside of FFXIV or simply haven't ever seriously raided in a heal/support role

the devs clearly envision 2.0 to have 'serious' endgame content and they understand all the things they have to fix to achieve that. they're essentially throwing away an entire game and starting fresh because there are so many obstacles and hoops to jump through. they understand what the game needs (again- just look at the 2.0 screenshot)

but in the meantime, it's still particularly awful/clunky/wonky/unwieldy/nonsensical in the current version of the game and still sucks to work around if you value efficiency and execution.

Is it that hard just for counting just to + 1 and for healing self?
Is it that hard to get yourself used to the UI since it already been like this from the launched?

come on , this is way too small trouble than anyother majority problem in this game.
(still yes you have the righteous to whine)

rather than say it's a game problem. i think it's more like player problem itself

ps. I always doing a conjurer role for Ifrit raid or what ever (but not for Moogle since my main is ARC anyway)

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Originally Posted by Mirana

Is it that hard just for counting just to + 1 and for healing self?
Is it that hard to get yourself used to the UI since it already been like this from the launched?

come on , this is way too small trouble than anyother majority problem in this game.
(still yes you have the righteous to whine)

rather than say it's a game problem. i think it's more like player problem itself

ps. I always doing a conjurer role for Ifrit raid or what ever (but not for Moogle since my main is ARC anyway)

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is it that hard for me to adapt my playstyle to suit clunky, stupid mechanics? no. i bought a razer naga mouse, keep target lock on myself, thumb click the corresponding button for the spell i want then click the party member in the list i want to use it on (with my own HP bar shrunk and positioned just below the party list). this solves the wonky stupid double-click subtarget mechanic for faster healing, and frees up my left hand to focus on nothing but movement, so i'm not standing in crap.

but forcing players to adapt to awful mechanics is absolutely ridiculous when you could just, you know... fix them? what is wrong with you? "ya game is broken, targeting is awful, there are all these problems- but who cares? if you can't adapt you suck"

it's not a player problem. come to my server, i'll outheal you by 15-20 HPS without even trying, and CNJ isn't even my main. but i DID main priest in WoW for several years, and i DID 'raid' extensively in FFXI before that, so i'm not exactly a stranger to how game mechanics should work if you want a functional endgame experience.

in the end all you're doing is underscoring my previous point about how anyone who white knights this broken party list and/or targeting system likely has little to no serious raid experience outside of this game, and *especially* not as a heal/support role.

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Originally Posted by fusional

and? first of all, i specifically used the raid list as an example, not the party list. second, even using your example the FFXIV party list system still sucks because it still leaves you out of the list (where the WoW party list includes you)

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Well, at the moment all we have is the party list, and you say that putting it next to your name is a "ghetto fix." You then went on to mention WoW, but that's pretty much exactly what WoW does.

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Originally Posted by fusional

then you say that you recall it "sucked horribly without mods"

you must not have been doing much raiding, yourself, because:

1. i specifically mention GRID in my example, which is a mod. and not only is it a mod, it is the BEST mod for serious healers. (i dare any of you to say healbot and expect to be taken seriously)

2. blizzard tweaked and improved their own raid frames over time to mimic a lot of what the top raid frames addons were doing, so it really wasn't terribly different aside from lacking some more in-depth functionality and customization options.

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1. I know full well that GRID was a mod. That was my point, actually. You just admitted that no serious healer would use WoW's default raid UI.

2. How far along in this were they when they announced Cata? That would be when I stopped playing, for reference.

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Originally Posted by fusional

and finally, if you had issues finding your name in the raid list, and this was a legitimate problem for you- you either weren't a healer or you were simply bad. and if you disagree with this assessment- show me your time-relevant raid achievements. (in other words, finishing content before it becomes trivialized by new gear 30 item levels higher)

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Never said I had issues finding my name, only that the character name disappears from its default position once you join a raid. It takes up residence in the default raid UI, which I think we both just agreed was rather. . . lacking.

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Originally Posted by fusional

really all you're doing is underscoring my point that the people who keep white knighting the current "no player in party list" design are people who either haven't had much of any MMO experience outside of FFXIV or simply haven't ever seriously raided in a heal/support role

the devs clearly envision 2.0 to have 'serious' endgame content and they understand all the things they have to fix to achieve that. they're essentially throwing away an entire game and starting fresh because there are so many obstacles and hoops to jump through. they understand what the game needs (again- just look at the 2.0 screenshot)

but in the meantime, it's still particularly awful/clunky/wonky/unwieldy/nonsensical in the current version of the game and still sucks to work around if you value efficiency and execution.

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I never put forth that the current system was good. I honestly don't much care, because I don't see myself healing in this game anytime soon. The point I was trying to make was that WoW was a poor place to draw examples from, at least during the time that I played for.