How are you melding the new crafting gear?

Hello,
I've started to now craft the new crafting set since i'm assuming we'll need it to replace the twinsilk set once we get 3 star recipe's in the future. I'm guilty of not really knowing what to start melding first or what cap to aim for I actually come here and just follow someone's melds or sort of a outline of it.

Will some kind souls please post your melds (and over melds) to give like a base layout? Or are people not advance melding the new crafting set?

Towards the bottom of advanced melds I just used some IV materia which with the new Retrieve Materia system can be 100% removed and reused if I want to replace them with V overmelds later.

I found this in another thread.
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/13HS5

I only putter rank 5 control cuz r6 cost 2.5m

Im going to stock pile on materia and see when 4.2 comes out if I overmeld or not.
Right over melding more than 1~2 r4 seems pointless

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Originally Posted by Sylvain

I only putter rank 5 control cuz r6 cost 2.5m

Im going to stock pile on materia and see when 4.2 comes out if I overmeld or not.
Right over melding more than 1~2 r4 seems pointless

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Yeah, T6 costs quite a lot right now. Before 4.1 I did quite a lot of spiritbonding, but even after only melding a little bit I am now out of 6s. I'll probably spiritbond a bit more while getting my gear up there and making collectibles for those Alchemics.

Thank you all for the responses! I wasn't sure where to even begin

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Originally Posted by Alien_Gamer

I found this in another thread.
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/13HS5

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Thank you i was looking for something like this exactly

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/13M9S

This is a build using the best possible melds you can do with the Ala Mhigan gear. (minus the rings, could use VI instead of V for CP and MH/OH which you can go nuts on to your fancy.) You can swap any of the VIs for Vs and lower tiers if you like. My suggestion would be put the VI's in guaranteed slots and overmeld with IVs. Unless it is the accessories there you should put more gil towards.

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Originally Posted by MeridaQ

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/13M9S

This is a build using the best possible melds you can do with the Ala Mhigan gear. (minus the rings, could use VI instead of V for CP and MH/OH which you can go nuts on to your fancy.) You can swap any of the VIs for Vs and lower tiers if you like. My suggestion would be put the VI's in guaranteed slots and overmeld with IVs. Unless it is the accessories there you should put more gil towards.

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Thank you. Yes sadly I'm not rich enough to buy the VI's so I'd put them in 100 percent spots then just using VS and other lower ones. I'll keep saying this, everyone says crafting is fun but they never mention how you almost have to go totally broke before being able to make your Gil back haha. But I do love it.

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Originally Posted by RayneLittlewinkle

Thank you. Yes sadly I'm not rich enough to buy the VI's so I'd put them in 100 percent spots then just using VS and other lower ones. I'll keep saying this, everyone says crafting is fun but they never mention how you almost have to go totally broke before being able to make your Gil back haha. But I do love it.

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Make it back along the way. I buy up all the "crap" Tier V and VI materia on the board I can (usually spend 1 or 2 mil).
Then I hop over to Mutamix Bubblypots and convert everything, starting with the Vs first.
At the end of a session, I usually walk away with some Crafter/Gather materia for myself and plenty of materia to put back on the board to cover my expenses, usually turn a small profit.
You do have to find the maximum price for the junk before you start losing money on average. On my board that breaking point is 3K for a V and 20K for a VI.

Control V's are 150k a pop on my server, and pentamelding them into slots with a 7% chance just isn't happening.
I'll dump a bunch of IV's in until I need to remeld.

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Originally Posted by ChloeGrace

Control V's are 150k a pop on my server, and pentamelding them into slots with a 7% chance just isn't happening.
I'll dump a bunch of IV's in until I need to remeld.

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The good thing about the V's though is you can buy them in the reach for 400 red scrips each They are going for about 67k on my server and the VI's are going for 160k -.-

Ended up melding like this: https://imgur.com/a/53VXt

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Originally Posted by tayler1480

Ended up melding like this: https://imgur.com/a/53VXt

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Thanks! This seems more like something I can afford. Have any difficulty HQing the items with this set up?

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Originally Posted by Alien_Gamer

I found this in another thread.
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/13HS5

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This build is all control and no craftsmanship. I do not recommend it.

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Originally Posted by MeridaQ

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/13M9S

This is a build using the best possible melds you can do with the Ala Mhigan gear. (minus the rings, could use VI instead of V for CP and MH/OH which you can go nuts on to your fancy.) You can swap any of the VIs for Vs and lower tiers if you like. My suggestion would be put the VI's in guaranteed slots and overmeld with IVs. Unless it is the accessories there you should put more gil towards.

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This is for the ultimate rich people... The person who melded it also used Craft VI before Control VI in a number of items. This is usually not optimal as most of the times Control VI is usually more expensive. (But I could be wrong. Maybe when the person did her/his melds, Craft VI was more expensive.) A melding strategy like this will cost at least 20 million gil on my server. I do not recommend.

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Originally Posted by tayler1480

Ended up melding like this: https://imgur.com/a/53VXt

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This is still a pretty expensive build, but a bit more affordable than the above. It is a control-heavy build. It is streamlined for macro-ing special 2 star recipes... which makes sense, because Tayler developed a very nice rotation that requires this high control to get the job done. So Tayler's melds are optimal for her/himself.

The build I showed in my crafting guide is more towards craftsmanship (also still pretty expensive, but a tad bit cheaper). But I had cheaper, weaker melds on accessories than Tayler.

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Originally Posted by RayneLittlewinkle

Thanks! This seems more like something I can afford. Have any difficulty HQing the items with this set up?

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To be frank, you don't need expensive melds to HQ everything in the game. With a good MaMa rotation, you can have as low as 1330/1220/475 (but preferably 1441/1318/510) and still be able to HQ special 2 star recipes from pure NQ mats. So if you don't have the money to fully meld the i320, then just put temporary CP materia in them for now. And pull out the materia later when you want to do the proper melds. You can still craft ALL recipes and HQ them ALL in the game.

The maxed stats shown by Tayler and me in my crafting guides are not exactly needed to HQ items. They're specifically for "macro-ing special 2 star recipes". If your goal is just to HQ things, you DO NOT need max melds like ours.

This current patch is the "gearing up" patch. There's a good reason for us to do M'naago custom delivery and Zhloe's delivery these days. It helps us to get a lot of yellow and red scrips. Red scrips is our primary source of free Tier V materia at the moment. So you can slowly collect a huge amount of Tier V materia gradually during the current patch, and have them melded before the next patch arrives. No need to rush and break your bank. In the meanwhile, just use MaMa rotation for any special 2 star recipes, and you should still be able to HQ things fine.

Think I have the best possible melds for current 2 star, aside from weapons which I always use to optimize craftsmanship. Ending up with 1640 craftsmanship unbuffed or with tempura is important cause it lets you do a 3x pbp, 2x rs2 not under ingenuity, and 1 careful synth II rotation. Certainly not necessary but i like crafting fast starting from low quality.

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Originally Posted by Caimie_Tsukino

To be frank, you don't need expensive melds to HQ everything in the game. With a good MaMa rotation, you can have as low as 1330/1220/475 (but preferably 1441/1318/510) and still be able to HQ special 2 star recipes from pure NQ mats. So if you don't have the money to fully meld the i320, then just put temporary CP materia in them for now. And pull out the materia later when you want to do the proper melds. You can still craft ALL recipes and HQ them ALL in the game.

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I took your advise and aimed for for the 1441/1318/510 MaMa rotation and came up with this set up after I JUST BARELY made my 2-star set (I actually used the Init Prep rotation with the minimum stats and struggled [several 70-80% chance to HQ]). But my thought process was since we NEED specialization for these sets, I factored in the 20 Craftsmanship and 20 control into my calculation. So when I made the following set, it may look odd but with NORMAL Tempura Platter (one you can buy from a vendor) it gives me 1445/1319/514 (1425/1299/514 for non-specialists). I only used a few level 5's and mostly level 4 and below in the new 2-star gear since I know I will need to re-meld come either 4.2 or 4.3.

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/13SNG

https://i.gyazo.com/39fca5ee5ebe2375...fdc279962a.png

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Originally Posted by Hinalover

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The new materia removal feature makes it so viable to do temporary melds! This strategy of going for minimal stats would not have been possible in the past. It's great!

the thing is right now...
Maker's Mark + Piece by Piece completely trivializes the need for craftsmanship past the absolute minimum which the Ala Mhigan set hits naturally(although it's tedious)
Going Crazy with control will let you use less and less HQ materials improving profit margins drastically. for instance the new water on behemoth is like 100g NQ vs 20,000g HQ
and once the next tier of crafts comes around you'll be able to retrieve most of it and re-materia for the next tier's stats since just going for one stat should mostly be fairly cheap

On the other hand if you go all out and max everything as much as possible you can actually get to a point of crafting without the 70+ step method although you still need some HQ mats to do so and your set will pretty much be guaranteed to still be viable next crafting tier.

So it's a choice between maximizing short term profit or future proofing

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Originally Posted by Caimie_Tsukino

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I'm sorry i'm taking so long to respond to this but I just read your guide. Thank you so much for this. I hope when 4.2 come out you will update it for the new things that come out as well!

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Originally Posted by RayneLittlewinkle

I'm sorry i'm taking so long to respond to this but I just read your guide. Thank you so much for this. I hope when 4.2 come out you will update it for the new things that come out as well!

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Hey, no prob! Yeah, I'll do my best to keep the current guide up-to-date after the next patch :)