Dear RED MAGES....!

Can you just heal YOURSELVES most of the time....? There's a REASON yoshi gave you a DECENT single target healing ability...! So that when the healer is DPSing they DONT have to heal YOU....!

Thnx...!

PS... Try healing the TANK once in a while TOO...! ESPECIALLY when the dark knight uses his GIMPED invulnerability ult...!

Can't decide if you're just a really bad healer or really bad troll.

Either way; no.

It is pretty late, maybe I'm just dreaming this thread

Nevermind, probably just a troll

Either way I cannot deal

You don't pay my sub!!! *Removes Vercure from hotbar to spite OP.*

Didn't train vercure, sorry

Yeah, I'll just waste 2 GCDs doing your job for you so you can get in some of that sick healer DPS.

Thats it! No more manashifts for you! I'm putting you on the super secret RDM no Manashift Ban list! I HOPE YOU'RE PROUD.

I mean, I might Vercure myself or another person in a pinch, buuuut at the end of the day RDM is a DPS job. Utility is nice to have of course, but the main focus is to lay on the hurt as much as possible. If you're going to choose between a healer DPSing and the DPS healing or vice versa, logic says you're probably gonna want the latter option so the players who are actually supposed to be suited for those tasks carry them out. It doesn't take a veteran player to work that out. Pretty sure that's all there is to say on the matter.

Oh that's why in my previous expert roulette Heal doesnt heal and leave tank always below 30% HP. He think that RDM is perfect healer! Sorry but NO!

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Originally Posted by _Enigma_

Can you just heal YOURSELVES most of the time....? There's a REASON yoshi gave you a DECENT single target healing ability...! So that when the healer is DPSing they DONT have to heal YOU....!

Thnx...!

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Blatant troll or no, we certainly don't need to be encouraging the average DF RDM to use Vercure more unnecessarily than they already do.

I only do when I don't have faith in the healer to heal me in time.

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Originally Posted by LunarEmerald

I only do when I don't have faith in the healer to heal me in time.

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^ This sums it up for me too.

Sure. Maybe in the new 24-man raid when I'm so far away from the other healers, I'll pop a couple of Vercures on myself.

Sweet! Finally! Now people wont yell at me for using my sick vercure spam "I NEED HEALING!!!! <se.7>" macro! Thanks, OP! I can finally use the DF again!

Only times I vercure are during Queen's Waltz cave edition when the blue tile I end up on is ridiculously far from healers and I'm below comfortable hp..and mid phase when boss is unattackable so I have a dualcast ready to go.

Vercure in party is for healers who sucks. Nothing more to say.

Completely agree with OP. Rdms should also verraise themselves when they die.

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Originally Posted by aleph_null

Completely agree with OP. Rdms should also verraise themselves when they die.

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Verreraise? Say that 10 times fast.

I hate Red Mage Vecuring everything like they are about to die in the minute.
Them, and Paladin using Clemency.

Make me want to just fully dps et let them heal.

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Originally Posted by KDSilver

I hate Red Mage Vecuring everything like they are about to die in the minute.
Them, and Paladin using Clemency.

Make me want to just fully dps et let them heal.

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Geez...you'd think healers would be glad of one less character to have to concern themselves with in regards to heals. I guess I should stop dodging AoE's too while I'm at it. Wouldn't want our healers to get bored now, would we?

I agree with helping to heal the tank when it's necessary. It "shouldn't" happen but sometimes it just does. If you see the healer struggling to heal the tank just throw a vecure or 2.

And sometimes when I see a certain mechanic coming up & im not being healed i'll try to quickly heal myself. But that is no excuse for the healer not bothering to heal me.

Saying that the RDM should give up his DPS to vercure (note DPS is a Red Mage's role) just so the healer can DPS (note that healers do less DPS than an actual DPS class) is just wrong.

If you want to dps that badly then just play a DPS.

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Originally Posted by Demeos

Geez...you'd think healers would be glad of one less character to have to concern themselves with in regards to heals. I guess I should stop dodging AoE's too while I'm at it. Wouldn't want our healers to get bored now, would we?

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Don't be absurd; you have to know these players KD is referring to. There are plenty of RDMs and PLDs out there who self-heal on reaction whenever they take damage, and no, healers are not glad for it. There is only so much HP to heal, and backseat healers waste everyone's time. Clemency and Vercure are great clutch tools and have some strategic use (e.g. activating Divine Veil, setting up Dual Cast during phase transitions), but primary heals they are not.

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Originally Posted by Ascarot

Oh that's why in my previous expert roulette Heal doesnt heal and leave tank always below 30% HP. He think that RDM is perfect healer! Sorry but NO!

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No that's probably just a very good healer who is optimising his/her dps as every healer should be doing.

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Originally Posted by Pyroclastic

No that's probably just a very good healer who is optimising his/her dps as every healer should be doing.

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Nope, it was horrible healer who kill tank about 5 times. Poor tank use all CD and still dont get heal as well as other party members.

The great thing about variable classes like RDM is they do have capability to do more than just DPS. You can fill in the gaps so to speak. However, any time you have to do that you are not DPSing and it's a loss. The new raid forced me to dust off my Vercuring skills to make sure I could stay alive to rez others and keep Mana Shift on the healers (if I had the MP to spare). Anyone who plays DPS classes know that ideally it always comes back to getting as much damage output as possible. So, no ideally a RDM should not be curing themselves unless it's a niche occasion, but sometimes bad things happen and when they do it's a last resort option.

It's the way FFXIV is laid out. DPS need to always be pushing top dps out and asking a dps to do otherwise can be problematic as dps will plummet.

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Originally Posted by Cynfael

There are plenty of RDMs and PLDs out there who self-heal on reaction whenever they take damage, and no, healers are not glad for it.

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Sadly I personally encounter more RDMs of the opposite... ones who don't res or heal in emergency even if one healer is down and the 2nd lacks in mp... especially in the new 24 raid : ((

I only use vercure for three reasons, one I need to veraise someone, two if I need healing or three of the tank pullls so much and the healer is having touble keeping up.

Well everytime we must heal ourselves or raise others it is a dps loss and in turn means may not meet dps checks.
Granted myself i do have to cure myself and others from time to time as healers think we are suddenly back up heals.
Raising... it is all the damn time

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Originally Posted by _Enigma_

PS... Try healing the TANK once in a while TOO...! ESPECIALLY when the dark knight uses his GIMPED invulnerability ult...!

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Dude. You can't trust a rdm to raise people, even if both healers are down, there are multiple rdm's in the party, and they're the only ones left that have a raise. You'd trust that they'll heal themselves and/or the tank? Like them back flipping off an edge or into a newly spawned pack of mobs before the tank enmity isn't proof positive that you should never trust them to heal. Rdm's are our precious ADHD kids; we love them but we don't trust them around sharp objects and so we must protect them and huggle them and not expect heals from there. Alright?

I'll weave in vercure for dualcast so healers can focus on the tank more or I'll heal the tank while I verraise the healer, but my dps > your dps

Red Mage FFXI:
-healer- "Hey Red! Think you could throw me a few heals?"
-Red- Yeah fam! Here's a few buffs as well!
-healer- Wow, Redmage's are cool and not selfish at all!

Red Mage FFXIV:
-healer- "Red! I could use some support!"
-Red- me...Me...MEEEEEEE!

The only reasons I will use vercure is when I have an awfull healer (Which seem to be the kind of healer you are) or when my static is doing solo healing content , the extra cure help a lot. If im doing the mechanics right, theres no reason I should vercure myself. Please changes roles. Thank you

Oh COME ON.....! Just 2 vecures... TWO....! Is that TOO MUCH....? LITERALLY just help with HEALING every now and then... There is a REASON why you're a RED mage... Not a BLACK mage....! White + Black = RED...! RED..... UNDERSTAND...? Use your VECURE and VERAISE...! OK....? Good...

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Originally Posted by _Enigma_

Oh COME ON.....! Just 2 vecures... TWO....! Is that TOO MUCH....? LITERALLY just help with HEALING every now and then... There is a REASON why you're a RED mage... Not a BLACK mage....! White + Black = RED...! RED..... UNDERSTAND...? Use your VECURE and VERAISE...! OK....? Good...

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Okay, so maybe you are just a bad healer and not a troll.

You also seem to have an issue with your caps lock, may wanna get that looked at? If left untreated it could cause quite an itch.

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Originally Posted by _Enigma_

Oh COME ON.....! Just 2 vecures... TWO....! Is that TOO MUCH....? LITERALLY just help with HEALING every now and then... There is a REASON why you're a RED mage... Not a BLACK mage....! White + Black = RED...! RED..... UNDERSTAND...? Use your VECURE and VERAISE...! OK....? Good...

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Y'know what else is Red? The color of my role, which is DPS. We are not off-healers for White Mages that think their class is actually Battle Cleric, nor for Scholars who think their job is Poison Master. Your role color is green, do that. Do green things.

This is just weird. A healer demanding dps heal themselves so they can dps instead....

This is a joke you know ?..

I get shouted at by healers for helping with heals and rezzing

I AM CONFUSED

HEALERS PLEASE MAKE UP YOUR MINDS

If you have to ask a dps to heal themselves then you're just plain bad. And that's real sad...