Exterior furnishing item limit is limiting

Please increase the exterior item limit.
I've been trying to make my garden look nice and it does, in the front at least.
The problem I have is bare fences/walls/corners, if I decorate the walls I have an empty garden and if I decorate the garden I'm staring at bare walls.

https://i.imgur.com/igiGBapl.png

The only reason I can think of is that te servers can't handle an increase in exterior items as those need to be loaded by everyone who is entering the ward.
Note that I don't know much about server technology and logic so take my comment with a grain of salt.
But if you can increase the limit to 30 or 40 that'd be much appreciated, not only by me but by at least a few other people who are complaining on the forums
about it and maybe a lot of other people too!

https://i.imgur.com/AvQoxke.gif

Some larger (not taller) furnishings would go a long way into helping this I think.
For example; the plots of flowers are so small, doubling or tripling the space they take up would be nice.

I don't have a post box in my yard specifically so I have another slot for a furnishing XD.

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Originally Posted by Iced_Caramel_Macchiato

Please increase the exterior item limit.
I've been trying to make my garden look nice and it does, in the front at least.
The problem I have is bare fences/walls/corners, if I decorate the walls I have an empty garden and if I decorate the garden I'm staring at bare walls.



The only reason I can think of is that te servers can't handle an increase in exterior items as those need to be loaded by everyone who is entering the ward.
Note that I don't know much about server technology and logic so take my comment with a grain of salt.
But if you can increase the limit to 30 or 40 that'd be much appreciated, not only by me but by at least a few other people who are complaining on the forums
about it and maybe a lot of other people too!

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This is why large plots are mandatory...even 40 for a large is horribly limiting :/ You need multiple plots with different themes...

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Originally Posted by Niqote

I don't have a post box in my yard specifically so I have another slot for a furnishing XD.

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Haha you're right, I was thinking to do the same but a post box is damn handy to have so I have to take the loss of that one item space ;p

And your idea of grid size adjustable vegetation is brilliant, it's genius really! Can't wait till squeenix makes it happen :o

EDIT: Just throw in height adjustment too for good measure squeen ;o

Currently each ward can potentially be loading up 730 pieces of furniture on top of the house exterior customization. Adding 10 more items per plot is 300 more items loading, 20 would be 600 more items loading and that's if they just added a flat number per plot and didn't give medium/large plots a bigger chunk. They've said they're looking into it, but this is another issue brought to you by the ward system. :(

I'm not sure of the underlying programming but I suspect each ward is a persistent instance so is always taking up the full server resources and is what drives the item limit. This is one reason I would like to have a fully instanced house. You could increase the exterior items as they only take up resources when the house instance is spawned during access.

I support this so much. Hell I'd be fine with even 5 more items for small plots ;-;

I can see why they don't add more exterior item slots, per plot, per ward. It would be too taxing on the servers trying to load in and render all that extra outdoor stuff. I know that people don't understand parts of rendering in and transfer from to their console or PC. They just want be able to make their yard look pretty with little limitation. We love our housing items and decorating, but I love loading into a zone with ease, more. I can think of a lot more important things I would want addressed with the housing issue and this would be at the bottom of my list for now. :)

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Originally Posted by Dustytome

Currently each ward can potentially be loading up 730 pieces of furniture on top of the house exterior customization. Adding 10 more items per plot is 300 more items loading, 20 would be 600 more items loading and that's if they just added a flat number per plot and didn't give medium/large plots a bigger chunk. They've said they're looking into it, but this is another issue brought to you by the ward system. :(

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True, but even with maxed settings you don't have to look very far before outdoor furnishings in neighboring yards stop loading. So it's not displaying all of those items at any given time.

As someone else said, even 5 additional items per house would be nice. I feel like I have so little in my yard.

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Originally Posted by Dustytome

Currently each ward can potentially be loading up 730 pieces of furniture on top of the house exterior customization. Adding 10 more items per plot is 300 more items loading, 20 would be 600 more items loading and that's if they just added a flat number per plot and didn't give medium/large plots a bigger chunk. They've said they're looking into it, but this is another issue brought to you by the ward system. :(

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My WildStar community can have 17,500 decor displayed on the exterior. :) SE needs to improve their programming skills/train their hamsters more.

[edit] Here's a shot of the community myself, my husband, and a friend of ours worked on. You can see a lot, though not all, of the community from atop a hill in one corner (not visible due to the fogginess of the sky we chose: a bunch of a fancy Dominion enclave including shops/homes/restaurant/etc, a floating "college", a city made of shipping containers). It's made of 5 housing plots smushed together with a common area between them. Everything is custom built.

I've wanted to do the stepping Stones for the longest time through my garden and to my front door but the item limit stops me. 5-10 more items would probably be perfect, but tbh I would rather them fix how gated housing in general is before thinking about increasing item limit.

Given the amount of additional items they add during events makes me think that they're overly conservative with external item limitations. I'd like to have "full plot" items too, like being able to change the grass in my garden for a meadow, then a single item pathway from the gate to the door. Two items & the garden would look even better than it can now with 20!

Certain items shouldn't count towards the limit either. I know some don't, not sure which, but the following shouldn't:

Post box
Gardening plots
Aetheryte
Chocobo Stables
One of each level Dummy (so 1, 50, 60 & 70 IIRC).
Wall/house glamour (chimneys etc).

Those are things that most people *need* in their gardens.

Yes please. Just ten more items would allow me a nice stepping stone path without leaving 90% of the space unused.

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Originally Posted by Culfinrandir

Wall/house glamour (chimneys etc).

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I don't think anything that's part of the exterior remodel window counts towards the limit.

While furnishings are limited for outside AND inside, the massive amount of interact is causing the game to have difficulties in rendering the furnishings and that kind of bothers me a lot.

They should fix this issue too.

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Originally Posted by Dustytome

I don't think anything that's part of the exterior remodel window counts towards the limit.

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That's good to know. I wasn't sure if it was or not. I do know that when I tried to have a chimney & 'porch' it wasn't having any of it because there was an additional limit on the amount of remodeling items that I could use. Grrrrr.

Limitation is because wards. If you raise the cap, it raises for every person in the ward, the amount of items to load when standing in outside ward area is multiplied a lot. Bigger amount will affect client performance and cause instability. You'll crash my old hamster wheel computer.

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Originally Posted by Culfinrandir

One of each level Dummy (so 1, 50, 60 & 70 IIRC).

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Why would you need four striking dummies in your garden? The only difference between them is the accuracy requirements (ie: a lvl 50 would miss often against a lvl 60 or 70 dummy). Other than that, the damage values against them are the same.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

My WildStar community can have 17,500 decor displayed on the exterior. :) SE needs to improve their programming skills/train their hamsters more.

[edit] Here's a shot of the community myself, my husband, and a friend of ours worked on. You can see a lot, though not all, of the community from atop a hill in one corner (not visible due to the fogginess of the sky we chose: a bunch of a fancy Dominion enclave including shops/homes/restaurant/etc, a floating "college", a city made of shipping containers). It's made of 5 housing plots smushed together with a common area between them. Everything is custom built.

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Wildstar housing is the bomb and what every MMO with a housing component should strive for.

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Originally Posted by Culfinrandir

Post box
Aetheryte

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At the very least, these two things should be default on every plot of land. You should be able to teleport to your house without having an aetheryte in the yard, and you should have a post box in front of your house like the Placard.

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

Why would you need four striking dummies in your garden? The only difference between them is the accuracy requirements (ie: a lvl 50 would miss often against a lvl 60 or 70 dummy). Other than that, the damage values against them are the same.

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I have two, a lvl 1 & a lvl60 but as I have jobs at lvl50 & lvl70 it does make a difference when trying to optimise things. Also, a FC with, say 250 members, will always have players at different levels & it saves them teleporting all over the world just to use a level appropriate dummy.

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Originally Posted by Culfinrandir

I have two, a lvl 1 & a lvl60 but as I have jobs at lvl50 & lvl70 it does make a difference when trying to optimise things. Also, a FC with, say 250 members, will always have players at different levels & it saves them teleporting all over the world just to use a level appropriate dummy.

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Or you could just have a single lvl 1 striking dummy. Everyone will always have 100% hit chance against that one. The damage is the same on all striking dummies, so I'm not sure what you mean with "trying to optimise things".

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

Or you could just have a single lvl 1 striking dummy. Everyone will always have 100% hit chance against that one. The damage is the same on all striking dummies, so I'm not sure what you mean with "trying to optimise things".

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Personaly i use a "stop watch" on the lvl 70's to see which rotation i use kills them faster from max health to 0....well the lvl 1 die in one hit but are still nice for lower levels in my fc........... but thats just me i be a tad mad lol

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

Or you could just have a single lvl 1 striking dummy. Everyone will always have 100% hit chance against that one. The damage is the same on all striking dummies, so I'm not sure what you mean with "trying to optimise things".

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I thought that dummies had different defence stats. If they are all the same then I agree, you don't need to have as many.

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Originally Posted by Keridwyn

Basic definition does not make something not a slur. Call a woman a certain garden tool and see how well it goes.

Also again, what decorations are 'essential' beyond an aetheryte (and you don't even need that actually). Every decoration in the game is just as non-essential. But you don't like rocks and think they're stupid. Fine, let's compromise.

Give me a selection of 'path' decore I can affix to my house like a chimney or awning or placard and I will get rid of my rocks.

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kinda wonder if he hates the wooden ones to lol

Actually the paths as a decore item would go a long way to helping this now that I think about it. Just give us the four basic options (Riviera, Oasis, Glade, Hingan) and then maybe a couple of more basic options. That way it will free up a few slots for folks that chose to use them. I would love a little tile walkway or some crushed white gravel.