Why bother SE?!?

Why bother with low-mid level gear, don't waist your time on nonsense stuff. Don't bother yourself with low-mid level content, there is no point in it. Why bother with stuff that people will never use. Why would they use something that they will get rid of in an hour or two of leveling up. Why would someone play low level content when they will be too high for it in a few hours anyways(just run through everything). Just keep on making instances at level 50 that's all we want! We don't care about that other crap. Whats fun evolving with your character watching em grow as you grow in skill. Hmmm? Soo, again why bother? /sarcasm

I'm not expecting anyone to read this(I've learned that already). I just wanted to say that leveling is fast, too fast. Now, I know TONS of people are against this(slowing down leveling) but at the rate you level there really is no point in getting gear until you are 40ish. I am just wondering how you are going to make lower levels count more, because really that's half the fun of it! Getting to 50 that is(at least your first 50 for most). I wanna stay in an instance all day! That is uber fun!
Let me ask all the people who have most classes 50, do you enjoy it that much? I mean what is there for you to do now? Get weapons? Ya it's cool that you can be like
"HEY! I can go on any class, what ya need?"
I guess I just loved the progression FFXI had like no other mmo does. They had content for you to do through out the whole game(1-75). Gear actually mattered, if you bought a piece of gear it was going to last you. Don't let me get started on COP at level 30 >.>.
IDK what could SE do to make lower levels count more, because that's the only thing I can think of, is slowing down leveling.
Please leave all your hate, comments, ideas below!

PS: sorry for another thread ; ;

Side note: I'm not saying make this game into ffxi, I don't want that! I think for this day and age the leveling of FFXI is a wee bit slow, I just liked how things mattered in ffxi. I just wanna try to address this issue. It also hurts crafters when they cant sell their stuff that they made, or there is nothing to buy in the MW, because of that issue.

This is a problem with the players. Not with SE.

Well, ya, players asked for it ;)

lol at OP (yes that is all I am saying)

One thing I would like to see is more sets of gear that are average stats but easy to obtain (maybe sold by npc for not a high cost) for lower levels, below 45 plus an option to store them with npc. (also make sets all same level, no point having a silver-cap at lv 7 and silver-body armour at lv 5)

I'm sure you could have posted in one of the other topics on this subject. Your comment doesn't warrant its own topic.

All topics are comments and opinions.

at least it's not another goodbye thread ;)

No thanks.

First of all... IMO armor still needs clean up. The MW categories are just... Rediculous. When I started playing, I could even tell what armor was what. Even with dyed armor being fixed. something I like from xi was how uniform the armor was, you could tell by looking at the jobs on it's what it is right away (light, heavy, ect)
Now what would be great if they fixed MW catagories, I mean Christ we have categories that don't even have items being sold in cuz they may or may not exist. But that's not just it. What makes armor more valuable to lower levels is EASY ACCESS to it. right now if you want low level armor you gotta buy it or stumble upon it by happenstance. Things that don't come as good to new players. What we need is or low level armors to be doled out in quest rewards more often and also quests that are linked to each other so there is continuity in finding new armor. This would also decrease the value of those items on the MW so that they arent so god damned expensive and ridiculously priced. So that newbies can sell of the old armor from questing and learn the basics of the MW. Yeah... It's all connected.

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Originally Posted by ApplePie

No thanks.

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Can you expand on that thought?

See if this wasn't a grind mobs based game then it wouldn't go so fast. Comparing it to most quest to cap games it would be on the player how fast they got to cap.

yes please. lets slow it down, nothing is more fun then killing thousands of raptors over and over.

Slow it down for what? People still won't buy overpriced gear. still no content to do. The problem is there is no progression in place and until they put that in. Slowing the leveling down will not do anything.

To put it nicely the only reason you level so fast is because that is all there is to do. So slowing it down will do nothing but make it longer to get to actual content.

Edit: also most the people who will most likely be staying already have 50s so until 2.0 Probably be best to stick to high level content > low level

Slowing it down would give people something to do >.>; LOL. Thats because noone needs the gear because they can just get to 50 in no time!

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The people who do nothing but stand around in town. Are the same people who will be standing around in town even after the slow it down.

For the record. I really love people who claim leveling is to fast when they only have 1 50. >.>

bringing up FFXI again, but thats one thing they did quite well, gear that was lower level, at least some pieces could be used for LONG stretches, or even until endgame. Though it creates tons of demand and possibly RMT, i still love the fact that there was plenty of stuff you could use for so many levels or all the way.

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Originally Posted by Xianghua

The people who do nothing but stand around in town. Are the same people who will be standing around in town even after the slow it down.

For the record. I really love people who claim leveling is to fast when they only have 1 50. >.>

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Sorry I don't want all classes 50, and I took breaks >.>

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Originally Posted by Rokien

Sorry I don't want all classes 50, and I took breaks >.>

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Can you define "breaks"?

So you claim there is nothing to do. Yet you don't want to level all classes to 50. But you want them to slow leveling down to give you something to do? such great logic.

Anyway The people who want something to do are the ones out doing stuff. the people who don't want to do anything are the people who stand around in towns staring at their screen like idiots. I mean Why even log in if all you are going to do is stand in town? Do I want low level content and things that will slow leveling down? yes. But to slow leveling down (give lower exp) just to give people something to do is just stupid.

I only have 4 50s and I have to say the only reason I dont have all 50s is because I dont like leveling, I like endgame content and player created content. If it took a long time to level each class then I would still only have 1 50 which would mean I would be gimping many parties and endgame content.

OP if you want to level slow then do it, the mechanics are there for it dont try and force everyone into your play style.

You apparently havent played XI in awhile. Lvl 1-99 in a day, skills capped in another, lvl 1 gear usable to af, af usuable to free gear at 78, af3 used after, after this all there is to do is endless magians trials for weapons you use to get more weapons. endgame in xi no longer exists

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Originally Posted by Krausus

I only have 4 50s and I have to say the only reason I dont have all 50s is because I dont like leveling, I like endgame content and player created content. If it took a long time to level each class then I would still only have 1 50 which would mean I would be gimping many parties and endgame content.

OP if you want to level slow then do it, the mechanics are there for it dont try and force everyone into your play style.

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I do and I haven't gimped anyone yet >.>

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Originally Posted by MicahZerrshia

You apparently havent played XI in awhile. Lvl 1-99 in a day, skills capped in another, lvl 1 gear usable to af, af usuable to free gear at 78, af3 used after, after this all there is to do is endless magians trials for weapons you use to get more weapons. endgame in xi no longer exists

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I have, and don't like it ^.^

Who knows, maybe 50-75 will be a journey. 1-50 was relatively easy in XI BEFORE Abyssea.

Was 1-50 more challenging in XI? Yep. But I'm riding on the hope that 50-75 in XIV doesn't feel like 25-50. ZOOM!

Oh yeah (To the OP,) and don't rely on sarcasm, someone will always misinterpret what you say.
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Originally Posted by FilthyDisco

You're a fool to think that they'll ever consider your request.

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Just because you and I have jobs to 50 doesn't mean you can exclude up-and-comers. There needs to be low level content and gear in order for low level players to feel a sense of accomplishment. It needs to keep them engaged in the game to GET a job to 50.

You're a fool to think that they'll ever consider your request.

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Originally Posted by Issac

Who knows, maybe 50-75 will be a journey. 1-50 was relatively easy in XI BEFORE Abyssea.

Was 1-50 more challenging in XI? Yep. But I'm riding on the hope that 50-75 in XIV doesn't feel like 25-50. ZOOM!

Oh yeah (To the OP,) and don't rely on sarcasm, someone will always misinterpret what you say.
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Much noted lol, I was trying to say I want more low level stuff ; ;

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Originally Posted by FilthyDisco

You're a fool to think that they'll ever consider your request.

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Naa you're the fool that thought that i ever requested that in the first place.

Just reminding everyone that the content will most likely be at least a little bit different by the time 2.0 comes out, so any of the fast leveling/slow leveling problems will most likely be dealt with in time.

:D I really hope no one expects them to raise the level cap at 2.0.

Give new players the time to level up all their classes :<

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Originally Posted by Rokien

Why bother with low-mid level gear, don't waist your time on nonsense stuff. Don't bother yourself with low-mid level content, there is no point in it. Why bother with stuff that people will never use. Why would they use something that they will get rid of in an hour or two of leveling up. Why would someone play low level content when they will be too high for it in a few hours anyways(just run through everything). Just keep on making instances at level 50 that's all we want! We don't care about that other crap. Whats fun evolving with your character watching em grow as you grow in skill. Hmmm? Soo, again why bother? /sarcasm

I'm not expecting anyone to read this(I've learned that already). I just wanted to say that leveling is fast, too fast. Now, I know TONS of people are against this (slowing down leveling) but at the rate you level there really is no point in getting gear until you are 40ish. I am just wondering how you are going to make lower levels count more, because really that's half the fun of it! Getting to 50 that is(at least your first 50 for most). I wanna stay in an instance all day! That is uber fun!
Let me ask all the people who have most classes 50, do you enjoy it that much? I mean what is there for you to do now? Get weapons? Ya it's cool that you can be like
"HEY! I can go on any class, what ya need?"
I guess I just loved the progression FFXI had like no other mmo does. They had content for you to do through out the whole game(1-75). Gear actually mattered, if you bought a piece of gear it was going to last you. Don't let me get started on COP at level 30 >.>.
IDK what could SE do to make lower levels count more, because that's the only thing I can think of, is slowing down leveling.
Please leave all your hate, comments, ideas below!

PS: sorry for another thread ; ;

Side note: I'm not saying make this game into ffxi, I don't want that! I think for this day and age the leveling of FFXI is a wee bit slow, I just liked how things mattered in ffxi. I just wanna try to address this issue. It also hurts crafters when they cant sell their stuff that they made, or there is nothing to buy in the MW, because of that issue.

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Interesting post.

I was just reading the reasons people were quitting, and 'grinding' came up pretty often, and 'lack of content' was another complaint.

The funny thing is, grinding (read: constant focused leveling) renders useless mid-level content and the need for mid-level gear. Grinding is the reason there is a lack of content, and what's more, players complain about grinding. So why do it?

The main reason players grind is because they get impatient and/or competitive in trying to reach endgame content. They forget that only a portion of the game's content is 'endgame'. For them, the goal is to be l33t ASAP.

Well, being l33t and enjoying a game are often on the opposite ends of the scale from what I've seen.

How many players took the time while in their 30s put together a Toto-Rak party? How many level 18 parties have spent time working through all the content in Shposhea? The simple fact is that since there is no level cap on early or mid-level content, players look for the shortest and easiest path to the end and then discover that they quickly become bored with the game.

Perhaps at some point SE will introduce some options for capped runs in dungeons along with some greater rewards (or achievements). But until then, I chose to enjoy the content on it's own terms and not rush to the end.

There is always plenty more to do later on.

I agree with ya OP, I think ideally what they should do, is everyones starter set levels up with them til 45, actually I take that back. I think SE should just give you level 45 in each class upon a new character. But more seriously, I'm hoping the experience curve jumps stupid high come level cap increase. 50-51 should be like leveling from 45-50 (not that, that takes more then a couple hours in a stronghold) But you get the picture. I'm hoping they do this and I have the feeling they will increase the TNL exp needed, but we will see.

EDIT: to the guy above,. 98% of most end game is just grinding. If you don't (not you parse) like grinding you shouldn't be playing MMO's. This game TO ME is far from grindy until you get to what we have as "end game". The leveling is a joke and def needs an increase with things to do in between.

I've helped countless people get the mid ranged NM's gear.

Fact is alot of that NM gear can last you way into the 40's if not all the way up to 50.

Leveling is only too fast if people grind in XP parties for 4-6 hours a day and thats more a problem with the player not the game, there will always be people who want to rush to end game.

You will find that in most MMO's mid ranged dungeons and content will be skipped past mainly because people want to be at end game where everyone else is, there is also that peer pressure of people expecting you to level fast and join in aswell, it certainly isn't something new in the world of MMO's.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

I've helped countless people get the mid ranged NM's gear.

Fact is alot of that NM gear can last you way into the 40's if not all the way up to 50.

Leveling is only too fast if people grind in XP parties for 4-6 hours a day and thats more a problem with the player not the game, there will always be people who want to rush to end game.

You will find that in most MMO's mid ranged dungeons and content will be skipped past mainly because people want to be at end game where everyone else is, there is also that peer pressure of people expecting you to level fast and join in aswell, it certainly isn't something new in the world of MMO's.

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-As well as me.
-I could get 10 levels in 4 hours, THE HARDEST LEVELS MIND YOU! 40-50, just get a sb party.
-LOL DID ANYONE SKIP FFXIS MID LEVEL CONTENT!?!LOL I did mine while I was leveling, it was a really fun experience!

I don't think it's just the fast leveling but also the access to this gear. Considering low-mid level gear is overpriced(at least in my server) since no one really makes it, it's just not worth it to buy. Also since leves don't give gear that often, and monsters barely ever drop gear, the want of getting low-mid level gear isn't really there.

remember the progression and content options FFXI had at japanese launch, and for the first 6-8 months or so after NA launch?

no?

(that's because it wasn't there)

i know the game is lacking in certain areas and i know it needs more content and needs this and needs that, but it's just weird when people directly compare particular aspects of the game to FFXI, seemingly not realizing this game has only been around for a little over a year, and that it actually took FFXI a lot longer than a year to really get the ball rolling.

ask any of the japanese players and importers about their pre-NA launch experience with FFXI.

Rome wasn't built in a day, neither will FFXIV be.

IMO they should lower the exp needed to levle up by half, BUT also lower the amount of exp you get from a single mob.

That would make it last longer imo

We need capped instances. That would make that lower level gear more popular and make it more fun to get. We also need more short term goals to do while leveling other than gear. In FFXI we had spell scrolls along with getting tele crystals, maps, airship pass, chocobo license and many more things.

I think the reason why people zoom from 1-5o in no time is the combat system and lack of other things to do while leveling more so than the exp curve. You don't need to buff up your character before you get an exp party because as long as you have some healers and a tank you can make short work of large groups of enemies.

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Originally Posted by Irana

IMO they should lower the exp needed to levle up by half, BUT also lower the amount of exp you get from a single mob.

That would make it last longer imo

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but....that would make it the same as now, just with lower numbers.....

What he/she(Kailea) said ^. Lyndis hit it dead on. I also think it might pertain to this thread as well http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-Longer-fights Might give reason for many to buff up their lower level classes if the battles were tougher!~ And do those extra things. As I said, I don't think leveling needs to be as slow as FFXI was, but maybe a tad slower.