Debunking some CNJ Myths!

So, I know most of us have heard the rumors, that a Wand of Tides helps increase the amount of HP from a cure. We have also heard that 2-Handed weapon cured more then a 1-Handed weapon.

Decided to do some tests on this. Mind you this was a limited test, run multiple times to verify the numbers. I'm not going to post the spread sheet data, but if enough people are interested I can upload it to google docs for you guys to look for yourselves.

Here are the results.

Jade Crook vs Wand of Tides (Single vs Double handed Test)
Jade Crook: 36 non-crit cures total 18439 HP healed = Average 512.19
Wand of Tides: 36 non-crit cures total 18682 HP healed = Average 518.94

Ah but you say 36 is such a small testing number and it does look like wand beats out crook! Next set of data below

Jade Crook vs Wand of Tides vs Wand of Frosts (Single vs Double & Wand Tides vs Wand Frost test)

Jade Crook: 99 Cures including crits total 52157 = Average 526.83
Wand of Tides: 99 Cures including crits total 51831 = Average 523.54
Wand of Frost: 99 Cures including crits total 52116 = Average of 526.42

Jade Crook: 92 Cures non-crits total 47316 = Average 514.30
Wand of Tides: 92 Cures non-crits total 47293 = Average 514.05
Wand of Frost: 92 Cures non-crits total 47293 = Average of 515.09

So I think it might be safe to say that Wand of Tides doesn't increase amount cured over other weapons. 2-handed weapons don't heal for more then 1-handed weapons.

but the wand of tides has +3 MND!!! =P

It's all in your... mind? :p

do you mind if i play mind games when i stack mind?

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Originally Posted by knite23

do you mind if i play mind games when i stack mind?

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As long as you don't play tricks with my mind. :p

also.... mind

The mind from tides does help, but didn't we all already know that wands were more for healing and crooks were more for damage dealing? That's what I gathered anyway...

Were you under the influence of party buffs or food btw?

Edit: Also if you macro'd the gear, did any of your gear change between tests? Even missing a ring could cause a discrepancy.

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Originally Posted by Eldaena

The mind from tides does help, but didn't we all already know that wands were more for healing and crooks were more for damage dealing? That's what I gathered anyway...

Were you under the influence of party buffs or food btw?

Edit: Also if you macro'd the gear, did any of your gear change between tests? Even missing a ring could cause a discrepancy.

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I had always heard the rumor that 2 handed cured for more then one handed. I had also heard the rumor that wand of tides heals for more because cure is a 'water' based spell. (Which I never believed)

Testing was done naked with no equipment on at all. No food, no party, nothing. It wouldn't really be a cure test if I equipped gear/food/party now would it? ;p

seriously though they should increase the value in which healing potency materia effects heals

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Originally Posted by Eldaena

The mind from tides does help, but didn't we all already know that wands were more for healing and crooks were more for damage dealing? That's what I gathered anyway...

Were you under the influence of party buffs or food btw?

Edit: Also if you macro'd the gear, did any of your gear change between tests? Even missing a ring could cause a discrepancy.

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The staff role vs wand role thing is because of what materia they can use. Staff can get Elemental Potencies, Magic Crit and Attack Magic Potency, whereas wand can get Healing Potency and Enmity down. That isn't entirely the case, though. I think more wands come with some magic attack and of course higher tier ones have some nice Elemental potency. A Jade Crook with enough MND would be great for healing with the high crit rate, too.

I secretly hoped two-handed casting implements would have greater impact than one-handed ones.

And I secretly hoped that Cure was affected by Water Magic potency, but alas, tis' not a true water spell it seems.

Thank you Technolust.

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Originally Posted by Technolust

I had always heard the rumor that 2 handed cured for more then one handed. I had also heard the rumor that wand of tides heals for more because cure is a 'water' based spell. (Which I never believed)

Testing was done naked with no equipment on at all. No food, no party, nothing. It wouldn't really be a cure test if I equipped gear/food/party now would it? ;p

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No, I suppose not. I can't fully understand why the ice wand was curing for even slightly more than the water one though. I don't know what happened to the water element in the game either...

But what I do know is as a culinarian, each food effects an attribute and element. For instance, crowned cakes effect Intelligence and Ice Element (supposedly.) Now, we are aware that intelligence effects attack magic potency, however, increased elemental stats = what? Just elemental resistance? Then why did it matter back in the day to have both intelligence and ice element at specifics numbers to receive bonuses from food? (Tasty, Delicious, Divine, etc.)

Crowned cakes improve attack magic potency, but they also raise mp even though no data anywhere says crowned cakes improve piety, mp, or anything. The real question is, how does increasing your elemental attributes actually effect your character?

As far as the ice wand curing more, I'd just chalk it up the random numbers because the difference in the average wasn't anything significant.

Crowned Cakes only affect MP and Magic Potency. Requiring different stats for the food, in the cake's case, Ice Affinity and INT, changed the bonuses they gave. For example, normally the cakes would give you X amount of MP and Magic Potency, but getting closer to the target numbers would increase the bonus, with Divine being the best and I think giving you near double the plain bonus. Food bonuses are based entirely on what category of food you eat, with sweets being dat mined and tested as giving MP and Attack Magic Potency. There is no difference between individual "sweets" foods except that they had different target stats and therefore you were meant to upgrade as you leveled up.

For elemental attributes: the numbers on your character status screen is now resistance only. From my experience, Elemental Potency is simply "Attack Magic Potency" but only applicable to a specific element. Elemental Potency bonuses come in more concentrated values than straight Attack Magic Potency, and now that mages have specific elements that they specialize in, Elemental potency is worth looking into.

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Originally Posted by Eldaena

No, I suppose not. I can't fully understand why the ice wand was curing for even slightly more than the water one though. I don't know what happened to the water element in the game either...

But what I do know is as a culinarian, each food effects an attribute and element. For instance, crowned cakes effect Intelligence and Ice Element (supposedly.) Now, we are aware that intelligence effects attack magic potency, however, increased elemental stats = what? Just elemental resistance? Then why did it matter back in the day to have both intelligence and ice element at specifics numbers to receive bonuses from food? (Tasty, Delicious, Divine, etc.)

Crowned cakes improve attack magic potency, but they also raise mp even though no data anywhere says crowned cakes improve piety, mp, or anything. The real question is, how does increasing your elemental attributes actually effect your character?

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I understand what your saying, and I even agree with you, but more testing will need to be done under stricter guidelines. I am currently in the process of acquiring healing magic potency materia to test against mind. I will also note the elemental resistances as well as the day it is in game.

Again I'd chalk up the differences to some of the randomness of the game. I don't use a parser, all of the results are entered into a spreadsheet, and then I do the math the old fashion way.

I'm one of those that like to know how and why things work they way they do, so I can better myself and my character in the game. Also the test was a small batch of cures, I will expand the test to an even bigger sample to help rule out fluctuations.

If you have any suggestions for the tests or even any request of something you might like tested I'm all ears (well eyes) so please let me know.