Why do I say pvp is crappy now? It's simple- were all limited to the exact same few pvp skills so instead of a test of working tactics and player skill it's a basic race to see who spams the same skill fastest no loadouts no options . Nobody can really tell if Thier better at it than the next person cuse Thier are no options to set up ur skills . It's boring and it doesn't make sense that since it's pvp the character magically forgets all the skills we leveled for and replaces them with a few pvp ones . It's like really ....
Death of pvp
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10-01-2017, 10:41 PMSorceressValDeath of pvp
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10-02-2017, 12:04 AMStrywin
I would say it would be nice if we had more options to play around with when it comes to building our PvP move sets per job. I wouldn't even be against having more skills usable on the PvP field even though I do get what they're trying to do. They want to stick with one toolbar for the simplicity I guess & for the easier job balancing even though they're not doing so good with even that right now. If they want to stick to such a small # of action skills then they should decrease the GCD on the PvP grounds to allow for faster combat imo. They should also make tanks more useful such as a debuffer & party protector not just the tanky DPS that gives out stuns every so often. Also healers should not be as tanky as they are, well good healers anyways but I understand why they are because tanks don't do much to protect anyone but themselves.
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10-02-2017, 12:13 AMrandoom
A friendly reminder that Overwatch has 1 or 2 buttons
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10-02-2017, 12:19 AMStrywinTrue, but moving the payload makes up for it imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by randoom
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10-02-2017, 12:55 AMBernkastelx
That is where you are wrong sir it has 6-7 buttons depending on hero. Also comparing overwatch to ffxiv pvp is just a disgusting thought. One is fun and the other is mashing a button and dealing with people out ranging you cause of server lag.
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10-02-2017, 03:01 AMIlanAnd next thing you'll say is that pvp in FF is like a MOBA, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by randoom
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10-02-2017, 03:56 AMGerythSorry to burst your bubble but you actually have it completely opposite - normalized stats, hp, and abilities means everyone is on an even playing field. What separates us now is skill. I for one love the new PvP system. For instance, I no longer have to worry about being the best Dragoon I can be if I don't have a level 42 monk or crap like that. And I don't have to worry about my gear not being optimal and having to find obscure pieces from random dungeons. And I don't have to worry about having the latest HQ food and potions. All these are things that you give yourself an advantage with, that have nothing to do with skill, and they are now gone.Quote:
Originally Posted by SorceressVal
Make everyone the same = the winner outplayed you.
You can call that boring if you want or not like it, that's fine. But don't pretend like there's no skill involved.
Problems in PvP now are bots, win traders, and other things. -
10-02-2017, 07:44 AMGravton
Most people like the simplified rotation. If pvp is dead, bots and win-traders killed it.
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10-02-2017, 12:47 PMThirdChild_ZKI
What separated people before, and what STILL separates them is skill. Now, to be fair, there's a LOT of nuances to PvP that SE has just never taught people, and the information was, at best, an easily missed note in patch notes (such as Icebound Tomeliths in Shatter being 50% more magic resistant), but largely, anyone who knew what to do before and could adapt to the way their job is played now still stands out as a skilled player.
I have to agree that trying to force fit each job into 9 buttons isn't so great, as not all jobs play the same anyways. And though they've teased the idea that they can add to it, that seriously needs to happen, among plenty of other balance changes. -
10-02-2017, 02:17 PMKhalitharI have to echo this sentiment. I personally really like the simplified rotations, especially because it’s a lot easier to just jump in to jobs I don’t really play too often and have fun doing different things with a much lower skill floor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gravton
I definitely get that the ceiling has been lowered but ultimately I think removing the button bloat was better for pvp as a whole. I will agree with Valeria however that there definitely needs to be some balance changes. While we might not agree what those should be (definitely not a topic for this thread), some changes need to happen. -
10-02-2017, 02:27 PMblindfoldedkaosRival Wings in 4.15 says Hi o/Quote:
Originally Posted by Ilan
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10-03-2017, 03:18 AMWintersandmanI agree with everything else you wrote. The one thing I miss is Ninja being capable of going stealth out the gate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Geryth
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10-03-2017, 06:10 AMSyrus_Draco
The new PVP system is well and fine, and way more enjoyable than it use to be.
They simply took all the huge cluster of skills and truncated it to be more manageable. The playing field has been leveled out, and the bar of entry has opened up greatly, but make no mistake that there is still skill and strategy involved. The way you play, position yourself, and the choices you make weigh in greatly. Yes you have a lot less buttons to push and manage, but that doesn't make it less competitive.
It's a good thing that the devs made a strong separation of PVP and PVE. While there are still many similarities as to how PVE/PVP skills relatively work, the fact that they made adjustments to have the skills and abilities be solely for PVP makes it great. -
10-03-2017, 12:46 PMMyon88About that.. I have some bad news for you..Quote:
Originally Posted by Ilan
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10-03-2017, 07:31 PMSynestraJust curious but what made it "unenjoyable" in the past? Swapping few skills when coming from pve to pvp was never big issue, sure it was slightly annoying but it never turned me off from pvp so that cannot be sole reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syrus_Draco
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10-03-2017, 07:44 PMShirolumiYeah I miss this too about ninja. On the other hand at least movement speed in stealth is good now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wintersandman
Regarding the topic, I like the changes but wish we could have a few more skills (2-3 more maybe) and wish the additional skills and traits were more impactful. -
10-03-2017, 10:08 PMThirdChild_ZKI
Synestra makes a good point.
The "old" PvP was hardly unplayable, and I'll even say that there are some great changes in the "new" PvP, but trying to force fit all jobs down to 9 buttons is where they went wrong. Before 4.0, I thought about the stuff I used the most in PvP as a MCH, and I came up with about 9-12 things, most of which is not in the kit at all now. Then you look at Bard that got to keep not one, but 2 of its most powerful oGCDs and it really makes me question the thinking behind the changes.
It's a shame that SE threw away so much to try and redesign PvP to be better. It may seem better for some, but had they kept the right things and made only the good changes with them, it'd be so much better. -
10-04-2017, 12:40 AMGravton
The jobs now are hard to describe. I would like to see jobs get more of an identity. I know this isn't LoL and I don't want that. But have any of you seen a tournament? They choose heroes to counter other heroes. I'd like to see that, he picked pld so need to counter with drk. There isn't a lot of consistency either. Like war has 3 abilities that consume gauge every other job I've played has one.
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10-06-2017, 06:59 PMIceboy
Now I can see why pvp DRK is so good. Because you can make the job core mechanics in 9 buttons. Since we just play around with bloodspiller and TBN xD
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10-06-2017, 10:05 PMIlanIf you ever played any MOBA then you know that FF PvP is nothing near a MOBA and never will be. They can try to copy it but they will not do it with success.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myon88
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10-07-2017, 01:24 AMMyon88I played 'mobas' before the genre even got that name and was just custom games on WCIII. It has 'towers', 'creeps', and lanes so it qualifies to me - we haven't seen if there are any side activities going on in the surrounding environment, but that would be your 'jungle' as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ilan
The only differences are the lack of items and the high TTK meaning there won't be a lot of ganking.