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Can you lock out the lvl 70 trial/dungeons by making people actually do their job quest at 70? I know the skills for some classes are optimal to use, like WHM one where there is no really heavy healing needed, but for example DRG get's nastrond and it does a huge chunk of damage for them in dungeons and end game. There are plenty of people who never did their job quest. It's getting really bad, how many players I meet in lvl 70 dungeons expert roulettes with their lvl 68 weapons and I ask if they even did the quest and they say no.

While they are adding this feature, they should have leveling dungeons (atleast HW and SB content) also be locked behind ilevel. I was tanking two groups yesterday, in the first Stormblood dungeon and the Vault. In the first Stormblood dungeon both DPS were wearing level 56 gear. The dungeon run took forever and it wasnt untill I inspected them that I noticed their gear. In the Vault the healer had issues healing, even with facing only a boss. I checked her gear at the end of the dungeon run and saw that she has level 20 accessories, level 50 gear and a level 47 weapon. I understand being undegeared for 5 levels, but having 20 levels lower gear or 40 levels lower items is insane. There needs to be a gate.

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Originally Posted by Laerune

While they are adding this feature, they should have leveling dungeons (atleast HW and SB content) also be locked behind ilevel. I was tanking two groups yesterday, in the first Stormblood dungeon and the Vault. In the first Stormblood dungeon both DPS were wearing level 56 gear. The dungeon run took forever and it wasnt untill I inspected them that I noticed their gear. In the Vault the healer had issues healing, even with facing only a boss. I checked her gear at the end of the dungeon run and saw that she has level 20 accessories, level 50 gear and a level 47 weapon. I understand being undegeared for 5 levels, but having 20 levels lower gear or 40 levels lower items is insane. There needs to be a gate.

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The next dungeon and onwards has an iLvL requirement.
But since the Vault does have a heal check at the end esp. if you have DDs that are lax, I agree it should also have an iLvL requirement.

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Originally Posted by Laerune

... having 20 levels lower gear or 40 levels lower items is insane. There needs to be a gate.

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It will be not harmful all duties have the min il requirement. You even can use that to let players know about hall of novice before going into Sastasha.

There also is a MSQ quest that will teach you the importance of gearing properly but I guess people just skip text and go on.

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Originally Posted by LalaRu

There also is a MSQ quest that will teach you the importance of gearing properly but I guess people just skip text and go on.

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That or they might be leveling a second (third, ... ) class and just cant be bothered to get new gear - neither of those is a good reason not to gear up properly and waste other peoples time.
So I'm all for certain ilvl restrictions - they dont have to be crazy high, but them 15-20 ilvls below the stuff that drops in the dungeon and that should be fine

Title not specific enough. I do agree though that expansion dungeons all need a minimum IL requirement. This would at least force people to get Ironworks and Shire gear before attempting the expansion instances which in turn will make them run/farm previous endgame dungeons/raids and hunts.

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Originally Posted by Laerune

There needs to be a gate.

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I agree, I met someone in lvl 53 dungeon with ilvl90 gear on both right and left side and this was a player who already had 2 lvl 70 classes as well. I asked if he could buy them and he said he didn't have time? lol, takes legit less than 5 min to go to a vendor or MB to buy better gear. I don't mind small pulls, but the tank needed to pull like a snail and had issue with the healer healing very low.

No doubt they were in POTD and couldn't be bothered to spend a single gil on upgrading to NQ level-appropriate gear. It's infuriating but SE doesn't really care as long as we love and respect one another's play styles.

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Originally Posted by Clicked

No doubt they were in POTD and couldn't be bothered to spend a single gil on upgrading to NQ level-appropriate gear. It's infuriating but SE doesn't really care as long as we love and respect one another's play styles.

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Not necessarily. I once had a Scholar pre-PotD who was wearing both the Friendship Circuit and Brand New Ring in Ravana normal. Every other piece was below Ironworks while his weapon was 43-47 or thereabouts. He not only had the audacity to complain about DPS (OT disconnected, so were pulled without one), but when I noticed and called out his gear, he said "I have a level 60 PLD and know it's fine!"

Some people just feel entitled to clears even if they try to make you do all the work.

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Originally Posted by Clicked

No doubt they were in POTD and couldn't be bothered to spend a single gil on upgrading to NQ level-appropriate gear. It's infuriating but SE doesn't really care as long as we love and respect one another's play styles.

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Not really, highly doubt it, as I see them in dungeon gear. Like full dungeon gear, this doesn't only happen to people who have 1 job at 70 but multiply jobs as well. Square needs to do somethng about it.

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Originally Posted by akaneakki

Not really, highly doubt it, as I see them in dungeon gear. Like full dungeon gear, this doesn't only happen to people who have 1 job at 70 but multiply jobs as well. Square needs to do somethng about it.

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I think they will just say that it is the players responsibility to ensure their gear is up to par(and yes, I've been in parties - could be a healer, tank, or DPS - where someone, or multiple people, haven't had gear that was close to the dungeon we're in - such as level 65 gears in Ala Mhigo). While it would be nice if they were able to lock it away like that, I highly doubt it will ever happen.

There's no reason not to enforce a bare minimum of gear. It's not like you can't easily obtain adequate gear from the vendors or anything, after all. Sure, NQ white items aren't great, but I'd rather be stuck with someone that has a full set of 115 NQ gear in the Vault than someone who's still half geared in lvl 40-50 random drops.

But I guess just kicking those players until they get the hint that it's unacceptable works too.

If the gear system wasn't so convaluted you'd probably see more people in relevant gear.

Its not about them being lower or not it's about some classes have really great 70 skills too.

May sound bad but i judge alot by the first pull. If the DPS is horrible I'll check the gear, and if its sub-par then I will drop the group. Ide rather go craft, mine and stuff like that then takes 25+ minutes on an easy dungeon because the group is plainly bad.

Also require a job crystals be equipped for all content post 30 (starting at Brayflox).

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

Not necessarily. I once had a Scholar pre-PotD who was wearing both the Friendship Circuit and Brand New Ring in Ravana normal. Every other piece was below Ironworks while his weapon was 43-47 or thereabouts. He not only had the audacity to complain about DPS (OT disconnected, so were pulled without one), but when I noticed and called out his gear, he said "I have a level 60 PLD and know it's fine!"

Some people just feel entitled to clears even if they try to make you do all the work.

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I would not have been kind (it almost looks like they're begging to be criticised)... and/or probably would have kicked them.

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Originally Posted by Gokuhan

Also require a job crystals be equipped for all content post 30 (starting at Brayflox).

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I think they should just lock you out of gaining any more experience until you do the Job quest. Can even have the level 30 class quest immediately upon completion offer a quest that takes you to the npc that starts the Job quest. Then lock the level 30 job quest behind a minimum item level.

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Originally Posted by XiXiQ

If the gear system wasn't so convaluted you'd probably see more people in relevant gear.

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Legitimately curious on that. What do you find convoluted about XIV's gearing for relevance? I mean, generally speaking, higher stats = better. A need for specific type of stats is not at all a thing for most non-Savage+ content. The games restrictions on jobs that can equip gear that isn't for them is minimal now. There's only a few secondary stats to actually think about too, which again, is not even needed for the majority of content to be nit picky about.

Ilevel gating is not enough, there is too big of a difference of NQ and HQ ( on the left side) to have NQ acceptable, esp the weapon.

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Originally Posted by Welsper59

Legitimately curious on that. What do you find convoluted about XIV's gearing for relevance? I mean, generally speaking, higher stats = better. A need for specific type of stats is not at all a thing for most non-Savage+ content. The games restrictions on jobs that can equip gear that isn't for them is minimal now. There's only a few secondary stats to actually think about too, which again, is not even needed for the majority of content to be nit picky about.

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People outside the top 10%? or so .. basically outside the minority of those that really care of their performer think being able to enter = enough, I had to kick a few tanks out of HW DFs from being under geared but they thought it was ok because it allowed them to be there. So in a way it is confusing to most on what you really NEED for something.

I remember (kind of fondly, cause it actually went well) a DRK about two months ago that I got during 50/60 roulette who had less HP than I did on WHM in the Antitower. His gear was not broken.

Thankfully that dungeon is easy enough that I was able to tank it for him with the stunlock from Holy. He was super cool about it and promised to go gear up right after.

I know not everyone is as agreeable, my two cents are just to give people in crap gear a shot if you want to have them improve. Votekicking someone isn't likely to make them think about upgrading their gear. Telling them about the importance of gearing up while helping them might.

All that aside I would much prefer a blanket ilvl minimum for dungeons of certain levels as has been suggested here - forcing people to gear up to access content is really the only surefire way to make them get the picture.

Completely agree I had this dude in leveling roulette and he was in 58 gear in freaking doma castle.... I'm had to say something after it took us 15mins to make it to the first boss like are you serious or to lazy to buy the cheap crappy 60+ in kugane or other merchants I mean you even get a piece after you complete a dungeon....

In the expert roulette we had a BLM without foul because he didn't "feel like" doing the lvl 70 job quest I wanted to throw my controller Like does he not knw how great that skill is

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Originally Posted by Welsper59

Legitimately curious on that. What do you find convoluted about XIV's gearing for relevance?

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I'm not referring to the gear itself. I mean how you get the gear - different vendors, multiple types of tomes, various tokens (sometimes you're visiting 2 or 3 different vendors for one piece) - and at no stage does the game give you any clue about where to find the gear, or how the system works. Then they swap it all around, change tomes, move vendors. After you've been doing it a while you get a feel for how it's going to work, but when you stop and think about it its not very obvious, particularly to new people just starting the gear grind.