Question about the team's preform action copyright worries?

If SE was afraid of us playing copyrighted songs with the preform feature, why not make premade songs we could learn to play and collect similar to orchestrion rolls? Just too much work/too difficult to implement?

We actualli will be able to perform copyrighted songs in the game.
However, just do not record it and share on social network.

If you use that tool and record your performance, only play FF musics.

Because we already have a feature in the game to play pre-recorded songs (i.e, the Orchestrion); we don't need another feature that does the exact same thing?

The point of the perform feature is to let players play their own music for fun.

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Originally Posted by Lukha

Because we already have a feature in the game to play pre-recorded songs (i.e, the Orchestrion); we don't need another feature that does the exact same thing?

The point of the perform feature is to let players play their own music for fun.

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You can play your own music, you just can't record it and put it on a public platform as that would get SE in trouble. You can play any Final Fantasy soundtrack entry though, not limited to ones on the orchestrion list.

Basically they don't want to head down the slippery slope of dealing with players posting their takes on copywrited music. A musician or label could accuse SE of using their music to advertise the game without properly licensing the music.

Seems odd to me since I don't think Nintendo's had such as issue with Mario Paint, but it seems equally odd SE would even build a system like this only to add a massive, nerve-wracking asterisk to it.

All they are asking is that we keep those songs off of streams. They won't stop us playing them. I just hope a healthy reddit thread for quality compositions and requests springs up because I am not the most musical person out there.

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Originally Posted by Ametrine

Basically they don't want to head down the slippery slope of dealing with players posting their takes on copywrited music. A musician or label could accuse SE of using their music to advertise the game without properly licensing the music.

Seems odd to me since I don't think Nintendo's had such as issue with Mario Paint, but it seems equally odd SE would even build a system like this only to add a massive, nerve-wracking asterisk to it.

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fiend vs powerman 5000 look into it :)

It's a legal disclaimer to prevent them being accussed in case someone made money out of the games function. It's like with musical instruments. You can record covers and publish them, and so long as you don't earn money, you are actually in the green (in the gray in some countries), but the moment you start monetizing it you can end up in trouble.

In case of an MMO like this however, it becomes a much more profound issue since it is advertised in the process, so the moment you start earning money on it, THEY can get into trouble as well.

With that disclaimer they completely wash all that trouble away. The right owners will need to deal with the videos that pop up on their own and Square Enix will not be responsible. It's not their fault that the players do not listen to their warnings, while there is nothing in law that forbids them from offering that function all the same. After all, it is legal to offer sounds, and no notes or anything are copyrighted (nor can be).

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Originally Posted by BigRed5392

fiend vs powerman 5000 look into it :)

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Okay, good point.

My hot take is Powerman 5000 (whom I knew of since they were big in the 90's) are being salty about Soken making a song hearkening back to the genre they popularized.

Powerman 5000 complaining but not pursuing legal recourse is telling, despite Soken's method behimd each primal theme being a genre piece, and millions of possible musicians he "copycatted" a style from. But, yeah, precedent made.

Waiting for singer/songwriter acoustic Greiver and Vaporwave Doomtrain in 5.0. Please look forward to it.

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Originally Posted by Ametrine

Okay, good point.

My hot take is Powerman 5000 (whom I knew of since they were big in the 90's) are being salty about Soken making a song hearkening back to the genre they popularized.

Powerman 5000 complaining but not pursuing legal recourse is telling, despite Soken's method behimd each primal theme being a genre piece, and millions of possible musicians he "copycatted" a style from. But, yeah, precedent made.

Waiting for singer/songwriter acoustic Greiver and Vaporwave Doomtrain in 5.0. Please look forward to it.

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actually i read the tweet he wanted to sue soken for stealing their song. Fiend sounded like a song of theirs. He was corrected and apologized. My g/f looked up the song in question and they sound identical. Not one person complains about their music genre being mimiced.

Props to her though she from their home town and knew the song sounded similar but wasn't the same.

Even on yt videos get a copyright strike for copyright music.

I asked about this in my FC and they were confident that the request SE made was just a means to cover themselves legally from copyright complaints. So they can say "Look, you can see here that we made an active effort to prevent it. Cant control everyones actions."

Besides, I feel the matter is a little strange. Imagine I give a child an electric guitar, and he decides to play smoke on the water on it. Then Richie Blackmore hears of it and starts complaining to me. Am I responsible and should I take the kids guitar away?

It is pretty obvious that is to cover his back. Let's see a example. Mario Paint. It is a very old game from SNES. This one includes a midi-music composer. A lot of people making videos of music in YouTube. And nothing has been happened. This is the same exact case. They just say that to cover his back, making SE not responsible of what music players will use. "We already state they can only use SE music", but cannot oblige players accept it (unless, of curse, they use it for monetary purpose, in that case maybe can be a problem).

I LOL'ed when they mentioned potentially taking the feature down due to copyright issues. They honestly might as well not even bother. It's not a question of ~if~ we will see a circle of lalas Lemonade'ing, but ~when~. GG wasting dev resources on a system that's coming down within the first 48, really. Not that I'm blaming Squee, I'm not, but to assume in good faith that people have any sense of self control suggests they're living in a world as imaginary as the one they gave us to run about in. Poor, optimistic little deluded developer peoples. D'aw.

I wonder if LOTRO ever got in any legal trouble for it. Some of the musicians were pretty impressive.

I saw another version of this song live in that game after I was awkwardly playing the godfather theme on my lute.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3a3Sb9LY6Q