We've had role actions for a few months now and I felt like organizing all of them in terms of priority and spectrum of use. Thus, I'm gonna post a personal list of them all according to job type groups and color code them for convenience. When something has two colors that means it is a usual mainstay but it can be swapped out if either another player is already providing the bonus, such as the case with Protect, or if the current situation requires a very specific role action.
blue = wide range of constant use
green = may be used for specific situations or if you have slots to fill
red = little to no use in a group setting
Melee DPS role actions
- True North
- Invigorate
- Second Wind
- Goad
- Leg Sweep
- Diversion
- Bloodbath
- Feint
- Crutch
- Arm's Length
Physical ranged DPS role actions
- Invigorate
- Refresh
- Tactician
- Head Graze
- Palisade
- Second Wind
- Arm Graze
- Leg Graze
- Foot Graze
- Peloton
Caster DPS role actions
- Swift Cast
- Lucid Dreaming
- Mana Shift
- Diversion
- Apocatastasis
- Addle
- Erase
- Break
- Drain
- Surecast
Healer role actions
- Esuna
- Protect
- Swiftcast
- Lucid Dreaming
- Eye for an eye
- Largesse
- Cleric Stance
- Rescue
- Surecast
- Break
Tank role actions
- Rampart
- Provoke
- Shirk
- Low Blow
- Convalescene
- Anticipation
- Awareness
- Ultimatum
- Reprisal
- Interject
Role Actions & range of use
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09-09-2017, 07:51 AMThe_Last_DragoonRole Actions & range of use
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09-13-2017, 03:47 PMZfz
I love Erase. There have been times when I cleansed something off a first-timer healer and in effect saved us from a wipe. Probably not so useful in full party content, but plenty useful in dungeons. The heal from Erase is just icing on the cake. I always take Erase over Addle, and Lucid Dream on RMD while BLM takes Apocatastasis.
As for healer actions, I don't take Cleric Stance outside of full party content. Protect is always swapped in and out at the start of the duty using a macro. So I often get to play with Rescue.
You also wouldn't ever want to take Shirk in dungeons, and Low Blow can be situational as well.
I think you shoud further separate dungeon content from raiding content. They are different enough that often a few Role Actions can be swapped out for more effectiveness and fun. -
09-13-2017, 03:57 PMmosaicex
Reprisal in red?
I don't even.
Shirk is useless in 4-man, Low Blow is useless in raid setting.
Ultimatum is garbage all around, and Anticipation, while seems good, actually does crap all.
Also it's funny how you Feint in red while putting Palisade in Blue.
Feint is basically physical rampart for tank, which is very useful in group setting.
Eye for an Eye is also useless in most, if not all SB boss fights. -
09-13-2017, 05:05 PMPence
What is this? Feint and Arms Length are amazing in group settings and our DPS love them. And surecast for exdeath? On baby.
Are you sure your qualified to write this 'guide'? -
09-13-2017, 10:12 PMOkamimaru
id say for melee the ones you really should have are goad, invigorate, diversion, feint and after that they are situational at best... ive never felt the need or desire to take true north, crutch or arms length at all... Second wind and bloodbath are more for solo play than group play... leg sweep as well as most of the time the tank will be stunning enemies... i suppose its also about which class your playing and your skill level... im at least a decent SAM and this has been my experience so far...
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09-13-2017, 10:21 PMLittleSparrow
Largesse is extremely useful and isn't situational at all. It's useful in every situation.
Eye for an Eye and Cleric Stance are both very underwhelming and not a must at all.
I agree on Esuna, Swiftcast and Lucid Dreaming being essential.
Rescue is not only really fun to use, its also extremely useful no matter what dungeon you're in. Some fights I can think of that you can make use of it a lot are Titan and Leviathan. Its also useful for pulling let's say a heavy'd target out of an AoE that's about to be used which you don't have time to cast Esuna for.
On top of that, its also very useful to make tanks pay attention to adds you're aggroing. Especially in 4man content it's very useful to make the OT actually notice that you have aggro.
True North is only really useful if you have trouble with positionals. Whereas Ninja only have 2 positions and Dragoon as far as I know less or none, they don't have to have it at all. On top of that, Monks might use it more but again it isn't a must at all. You're much better off using Diversion or Leg Sweep.
I forgot what Shirk does but Awareness is pretty good. -
09-14-2017, 01:28 AMJollyy5
The damage mitigation from combined Feint + Reprisal ain't no joke, can make Susano wonder if he ever Stormsplitted or not.
Alternatively, Addle + Reprisal for AoE. -
09-14-2017, 02:16 AMsilverlunarfox
The issue is you can't make a general for role actions since each job classifies things differently than other jobs. even within the same grouping. like, i would never equip true north on a melee....maybe as a monk, but thats a stretch at best. There are better actions that can fill that spot.
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09-14-2017, 06:18 AMHyoMinParkAdding in my two cents on this list, since I main bard, and raid with it. I disagree with the priority listed here, and it should honestly be something more like this:Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Last_Dragoon
Refresh
Tactician
Palisade
Second Wind
Invigorate
Peloton (**4-man dungeon content only**)
Head Graze
Arm Graze
Leg Graze
Foot Graze
Refresh and Tactician, from a support standpoint, are completely mandatory, and not at all optional. That much is certain. Refresh for your healers, and Tactician for DPS/tanks AND/OR as an aggro dump, since Ranged Physical DPS do not have access to Diversion (and since they removed Quelling Strikes). If you have a NIN, it helps to have them Smokescreen you when they can, but still, having Tactician as a back-up aggro dump is still useful. (Plus, can't always guarantee you'll have a NIN in your group outside of a fixed raid group setting where there will almost always be a NIN.)
Palisade is also a good choice, however, its use in the current raid-tier is pretty limited--since most of the tankbusters/major damage are magical (Palisade only protects against physical damage, not magical), it really only has use in V3S for Halicarnassus' Critical Hit (every 150 seconds). Useful in Susano Ex for Stormsplitter.
Second Wind is something I always keep on me, no matter what. You can't really go wrong with self-heals. Invigorate I keep for if I go down or for heavy AOE situations in 4-man content, since you can't expect Melee to Goad you 95% of the time.
Any of the other skills are more or less useless in the majority of content where they would matter. The silence only has real use in V3S for the Iron Giant if you need an LB bar to reach LB3 for caster LB (but you shouldn't need that if you do Animal Farm successfully). The other Graze skills would have only been useful in PvP settings, or in very select instances (off the top of my head, the mini-boss before the last boss in Sirensong--stunning the seductive scream he does). Other than that, they aren't so important to take up a permanent cross-role slot. If they're needed, I would sub out Invigorate, personally, since you have Tactician to fall back on for TP issues (like if you die). I would definitely not carry any of the Graze skills around with me permanently.
Those are just my two-cents. -
09-14-2017, 03:32 PMZfzShirk gives some of your enmity to a party member, so the only time when it's even reasonable to take it is in content with tank swaps. So in 4-man dungeons or alliance content, taking shirk is just about as good as leaving the slot empty.Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleSparrow
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09-15-2017, 06:07 AMJollyy5Shirk: For when you've had just about enough of the healer's/DPS's nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zfz
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09-15-2017, 07:58 AMSandpark
I want Second Wind on a short cooldown with similar cost, like physick cast cost but cost TP for all jobs who don't have a constant low cooldown heal. So when content is created for solo/duo play, no job is left out.
Unless classes become more than they are sometime in the future with less restrictions. -
09-15-2017, 09:10 AMRawrzThe benefit of second wind, is that it is an ogcd ability. If you make it spammable, with a cost, youll put it on the GCD. If its on the gcd, using it makes you lose damage. This would eliminate it from raids/dungeons and chain it to ONLY solo content. The only areas in the game that you cant bring your healer chocobo are instanced quests, which are balanced around all jobs and PoTD. They should work out self healing more in potd, not nerf a great ogcd ability like second wind. x3Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandpark
Also in regards to the OP, I find this post pretty inaccurate. -
09-15-2017, 09:46 AMLittleSparrowWouldn't provoke be good enough for tank swaps? IMO it sounds very situational.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zfz
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09-15-2017, 10:12 AMRawrzYou shirk to provide an emnity lead, so the main tank can... stay in his off tank stance... as the main tank. Pretty kewl right guys?Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleSparrow
Really helps Sams and mnks out. -
09-15-2017, 11:39 AMSandparkI see your point on the benefit. I however think that if you are not soloing or duoing, you don't need a self heal in light to full party content. Anything that hits hard enough will eat right through a heal that only fires off every 120 seconds. You could use potions in between but in a game where people constantly cry button bloat, setting a potion to a hotbar is extra bloat.Quote:
The benefit of second wind, is that it is an ogcd ability. If you make it spammable, with a cost, youll put it on the GCD. If its on the gcd, using it makes you lose damage. This would eliminate it from raids/dungeons and chain it to ONLY solo content. The only areas in the game that you cant bring your healer chocobo are instanced quests, which are balanced around all jobs and PoTD. They should work out self healing more in potd, not nerf a great ogcd ability like second wind. x3
Also many games have heals not on an OGCD, not saying SE wouldn't put it on OGCD but it is not a given. I also don't see a reason why you shouldn't lose some damage if the boon is you gain increased Survivability. Lastly, whatever content exist now doesn't mean it always be the only content you can bring companions with you, and even then sometimes that companion is not enough, especially if harder content gets introduced for solo or duo play later. I frequently see players running away from fates to recover HP, less often with the chocobo but still happens. -
09-15-2017, 07:38 PMJollyy5A co-tank in a PF Susano EX group introduced me to the applications of Shirk for this specific purpose, neither one of us had to switch off DPS stance, and we never had to use an enmity combo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rawrz
I don't think I could go back, my eyes were opened that day. -
09-15-2017, 07:48 PMLittleSparrowWoo....Quote:
Originally Posted by Rawrz
I think it's just really, really situational. -
09-15-2017, 09:02 PMSeakuIf you mean useful in every instance there is two tanks in the same group. Yea, I guess that's 'situational'.Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleSparrow