Good Match! Nice Job! Hello

Can we please get rid of:

Good Match!
Hello.
Nice job!


Last match someone said Good Match 64 times.
This happens all the time with these 3 because people are upset and being sarcastic.


I know it adds some socialness where your not allowed to talk.
Go play frontlines if you want to argue and be sarcastic.

At least maybe people will spam a strategy 64 times instead like "Attacking Healer!"

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Originally Posted by Bloodb

Can we please get rid of:

Good Match!
Hello.
Nice job!


Last match someone said Good Match 64 times.
This happens all the time with these 3 because people are upset and being sarcastic.


I know it adds some socialness where your not allowed to talk.
Go play frontlines if you want to argue and be sarcastic.

At least maybe people will spam a strategy 64 times instead like "Attacking Healer!"

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That's when you report them and move on with your day. We've already had someone get reported for abuse of it, so it's not as if it's not getting touched upon.

These phrases work on JP datacenter as intended. It's almost obligatory to say Hello! at start and Good Match! at the end regardless of result. It's considered very rude if you don't use them. They will not remove them just because westerners abuse it.

Welcome to eu/na

I've played Disc Jam on PS4 recently, it has a few quick chat phrases but opponents can see them too. And half of them are something like 'LOL!' and 'Rekt!', I used them after every score just to piss of my opponents. It was more fun and felt like a legit PvP experience.

All jokes and sarcasm aside, I think this really highlights the fact that quick chat has done little to nothing to stave or reduce harrassment or negative language in the Feast. If anything, we lost communication and gained little more than a tool to be even nastier toward people with.

SE, you might really want to set aside your own personal views (and/or skewed perspectives on the matter, based on flawed data), and really listen to the community here. Rather than punish everyone with this, relegate it to a light means of punishment for those not mature enough to mind their manners. I would think that's both a smarter, and easier solution.

While folks will still find ways to be rude and trashy, it does greatly minimize the amount of toxic chat. You can report people for harassment and spamming the chat, simple as that. Don't get so invested in someone who clearly can't keep their head in the game and is too focused on being an ass.

While I was learning PVP a few seasons back nearly every match had someone chew me out whenever I made a mistake, no helpful/constructive criticism what so ever. This toxicity can turn many new and wanting to learn players away.

People will always find new ways to be salty, no way around it.

Removing three sentences put on for basic social courtesy isn't really going to solve much.

I don't really do Feast that often but going in and being denied the possibilty of saying 'hello' and 'thank you' just feels odd.

It's people's fault they can turn a basic greeting into something toxic.

Oops I overstacked my bad, nope can't say that. All I can do is just run and hope my team forgives me lol

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Originally Posted by KfLeX

Oops I overstacked my bad, nope can't say that. All I can do is just run and hope my team forgives me lol

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I wished they had an "I'm Sorry" or "My Bad", I've made mistakes before and can't really quick chat anything that doesn't make it look like I'm raging

I only get frustrated when I see people do stupid things that I can see coming a mile away. Things that could have been averted with a good chat system.

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Originally Posted by Marveth

I only get frustrated when I see people do stupid things that I can see coming a mile away. Things that could have been averted with a good chat system.

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Yeah. It's also very frustrating that you can't tell people something about a mistake they're making and you end up seeing the same player in a subsequent match making the exact same mistake. I've lost count of the amount of times I've seen someone grab the Wolf's Heart instead of allowing the healer to pick it up. I'll then see the player again in the future and they're...still doing it. It also happens with excessive medal stacks.

This is more frustrating than before chat. I played since season 1 so I've been there. If someone raged, it was ok and move on. This is infuriating, hearing "Nice job" spammed countless times in the match, with that little 8 bit noise going off. I'd rather see a string of profanities in chat than hear that nice job ding again

It's not a problem with 1 hello, or even 1 sarcastic great job!

Sucked having someone hit Great Match every 2 seconds for 8 minutes being behind a full duration game. :(

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Originally Posted by Syrus_Draco

While folks will still find ways to be rude and trashy, it does greatly minimize the amount of toxic chat. You can report people for harassment and spamming the chat, simple as that. Don't get so invested in someone who clearly can't keep their head in the game and is too focused on being an ass.

While I was learning PVP a few seasons back nearly every match had someone chew me out whenever I made a mistake, no helpful/constructive criticism what so ever. This toxicity can turn many new and wanting to learn players away.

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That's a two way street though, and allow me to paint a more rounded out picture:

While I'm using Frontlines as an example, whether it's Feast or Frontlines hardly matters. I was in a Shatter match once and the first large ice spawns right next to my team, below our position. Since I wasn't far from the mouth of that area, I turned around and ran in safely while others dropped right off the cliff. Other people on another team were doing so, and I immediately take out 3 of them in a shorter time than it took to then stop and tell my team "Hey, don't drop off the cliff when other teams are already there. You'll be dropping into a fight at half health." Solid advice, purely informative, nothing rude whatsoever.

I'm then met with not only a complete ignoring of my advice, but a sarcastic and nasty "Oh if only we had some kind of self-healing skill to use like Recuperate. . ." First off, there was no need for that player to be rude. Second, Recuperate won't heal you up to full from half, not even back when it could be traited for a stronger heal. Third, even when healers had aoe heals, it wasn't about just healing through it, but having good awareness of the situation. Needless to say they all got wiped out. The bigger picture here is I offered good advice as a more experienced player, calmly and nicely, and it was met with rude sarcasm and that cost us.

Matters of toxicity are hardly ever as one sided as people like to make it seem, and among the players that regularly PvPed then, a certain degree of respect and ettiquette had been established. Sure, some couldn't hold their tongues or mind their manners, but largely, issues of toxic behavior rarely were a matter of someone more experienced just dumping on a newer player without provocation. Especially not when the PVP community wanted to grow; how could we grow if we were so busy scaring people away? In a similar line of thought, how can we teach people that will rudely ignore or refute advice, or just plain get nasty with us even if we're civil?

Sometimes you need to own up to the fact you need criticism in your play. If nobody can tell you that you need to improve in some manner or other, then how would you ever know to try to do something different?

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Originally Posted by Canadane

Sometimes you need to own up to the fact you need criticism in your play. If nobody can tell you that you need to improve in some manner or other, then how would you ever know to try to do something different?

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This doesn't tell you everything you need to know?

Nice Job!

Are you all prepared for angry cross-world tells in 4.1? SE will so regret about this feature after their GMs will have to respond to 10x more harassment reports.

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Originally Posted by SuperZay

Are you all prepared for angry cross-world tells in 4.1? SE will so regret about this feature after their GMs will have to respond to 10x more harassment reports.

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Like I said in another post, just because they can't curse at you in the match doesn't mean that's the only place they can harass you.

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Originally Posted by SuperZay

Are you all prepared for angry cross-world tells in 4.1? SE will so regret about this feature after their GMs will have to respond to 10x more harassment reports.

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Ah that's right. Having x-/tell will invalidate feast quick chat feature.

Note to self, avoid pvp or feel as if i want to beat a team member with my astrometer for spamming something..

Just play literally anything but healer and feel like you can't influence the match at all...because you can't.

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Originally Posted by SuperZay

Are you all prepared for angry cross-world tells in 4.1? SE will so regret about this feature after their GMs will have to respond to 10x more harassment reports.

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Man I was thinking that after reading that info, can't wait haha

I think many of us see the potential for misuse (just like we foresaw Quick Chat being misused), but it only stands to reason that because we see it, we try to keep ourselves above it. If you have to say anything, try to be constructive, don't instead lend validation to the misinterpretation that PvP is so toxic and full of harassment. And if you receive a nasty tell, don't reply, just ignore or report.

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Originally Posted by Krolja

Just play literally anything but healer and feel like you can't influence the match at all...because you can't.

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This is untrue. As a DPS you have a lot of sway over the match, just not as much as the healer or the tank.

If DPS had no sway at all the few of us who climbed wouldn't have been able to.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

Sometimes you need to own up to the fact you need criticism in your play. If nobody can tell you that you need to improve in some manner or other, then how would you ever know to try to do something different?

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There is a plain and clear difference between constructive and helpful criticism, to help your fellow person get better in PVP, and flat out being toxic and yelling at people to stop playing PVP and calling them garbage and so forth.

Calling toxic banter a form of criticism is extremely poor. You can tell someone they made a mistake and call them shit, but that does nothing but demoralize the player. You can tell them they made a mistake, they should try out A or B, or try to follow certain rules of thumb. The point it to give guidance to a player to correct their mistakes, not to beat them while they're down.

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Originally Posted by Syrus_Draco

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Hey man you know you should probably try doing X thing/ you know sometimes DPS have to pick up medals/You should probably do XYZ for your burst combo...

Is usually met with...

GO F OFF AND DIE/ YOU DONT PAY MY SUB/ I PLAY HOW I WANT/ F YOU YOU B/

Sometimes people really don't like any form of criticism .

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Originally Posted by Krolja

This doesn't tell you everything you need to know?

Nice Job!

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It's enough to know if you've done something wrong.

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Originally Posted by Syrus_Draco

There is a plain and clear difference between constructive and helpful criticism, to help your fellow person get better in PVP, and flat out being toxic and yelling at people to stop playing PVP and calling them garbage and so forth.

Calling toxic banter a form of criticism is extremely poor. You can tell someone they made a mistake and call them shit, but that does nothing but demoralize the player. You can tell them they made a mistake, they should try out A or B, or try to follow certain rules of thumb. The point it to give guidance to a player to correct their mistakes, not to beat them while they're down.

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I can't do either, right now. The best I can do is wave my arms, place a mark over a player, and use a quick chat feature.
I would absolutely love to genuinely help other players learn to improve. I'm in a great pvp linkshell and there's a ton of help there. But I can't do anything for strangers!

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Originally Posted by Cynric

Hey man you know you should probably try doing X thing/ you know sometimes DPS have to pick up medals/You should probably do XYZ for your burst combo...

Is usually met with...

GO F OFF AND DIE/ YOU DONT PAY MY SUB/ I PLAY HOW I WANT/ F YOU YOU B/

Sometimes people really don't like any form of criticism .

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If they want to be garbage and not improve their game, then let them fall. You did your part in being helpful, and sadly not every one is as open minded to helpful criticism.

The problem is that the bulk of criticism we saw on primal during the time when chat was unrestricted were things like: You *&$^ing idiot L2H! Wtf are you stupid?! target the person I am you Retard! and *&^%ing great we got <insert job here> guess we *&#^ing lose then!... I don't pretend to know what things were like everywhere , but in hundreds of matches I never once saw constructive criticism used. Only character attacks and slander most likely born of infantile rage at not winning. Having experienced quick chat I have to believe there was a better option available, but as I stated i don't know how widespread the destructive bile that was pvp chat on primal was. Maybe we were stuck with quick chat because it was everywhere and was threatening to negatively effect the game from a business standpoint. It's extremely difficult to police morality across any activity though. Spammers existed then as well proving they are difficult to root out.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

I can't do either, right now. The best I can do is wave my arms, place a mark over a player, and use a quick chat feature.
I would absolutely love to genuinely help other players learn to improve. I'm in a great pvp linkshell and there's a ton of help there. But I can't do anything for strangers!

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I can't wait for cross-server linkshells. I want genuine PVP help and tips, not "go die in a fire"-type feedback.

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Originally Posted by Stormfur

I can't wait for cross-server linkshells. I want genuine PVP help and tips, not "go die in a fire"-type feedback.

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My shell leader is the best most helpful person on terms of pvp I've ever had. Cross-world shells can't come fast enough!