Chemist job idea

Chemist!

They would be "casters" but rather than casting spells, they use their cast time to mix up Salves/Poisons/Potions/Drinks that allow them to infuse Aether (MP) into items for special effects that are not otherwise available to normal items crafted by Alchemists (this is how they can handwave the similar names). So although they aren't casting actual spells, their casts would still cost MP (to keep things uniform between healers). Weapons would be Maces.


Their gimmick could be "Mix", which would be similar to Mudra/Ninjutsu. Basically you learn 4-5 "Mix Components" (similar Jin, Chi, Ten) and mixing in certain order creates a "Charge" of a specific effect (similar to drawing a card, but not random) that you can use at any time during a fight (rather than Ninjutsu, which needs to be used immediately. So you can mix say 3-2-1 which gives a "charge" of a Megalixir (AoE oGCD heal), then in 15-20 sec or whenever "Mix" comes off CD, you can mix a 1-2-1 and get a charge of "Bacchus Wine" which is single target Damage+10%. Then during the fight when you need these skills, you pop the abilities. Maybe you can store 2 at a time for tactical use.

GCD Spells:

Salve=Basic heal
Hi-Salve=Strong heal
Mega-Salve=Moderate AoE Heal
Poison Fang= DoT
Venom Powder= AoE DoT
Bomb Fragment= Basic damage spell (Ruin)
Phoenix Pinion= (Revive)
Arctic Wind= Basic damage spell (instant cast; Ruin II)
Red Fang= Upgraded damage spell (Broil)
Spider Silk= AoE Bind(Tribind/Tether yo!)
Stardust= AoE 200~ potency diminishing (equivalent of Holy/Gravity)


Mixes (could probably rename these so they sound more sophisticated than their FF5 counterparts)

These are your "mudras"

Power Drink
Speed Drink
Magic Drink

P-S-M= Megalixir (oGCD AoE heal)
M-S-P=Lilith's Kiss (Damage+HP/MP Drain)
P-M-S=Bacchus Wine (single target damage+10%)
S-M-P=Triple Star (Next 3 GCD are instant cast)
S-P-M=Light Curtain(AoE damage-10% bubble)
M-P-S=Lunar Curtain (AoE regen)

oGCD's

Itemagnifier=Boost next Hi-Salve/Mega-Salve potency
Pharmacology= Basically kissatsu for CHM (reset Mix CD)
Chocobo Feather= Haste+5% on target

Hero's Drink= Healer LB3


Obviously it would need to be tuned to be balanced but it would be sort of a blend between NIN's Mudra system and AST card system, while utilizing familiar items from throughout the FF series for a wide range of effects.

Some other things you could use:

Dark Matter: Increases the potency of the next "Mix" action.

Not only the Drink actions go into the Mix command. Using your other spells can also affect what you can Mix. While this will mean a lot of memorization may need to go into what a Chemist can do, this does give them a high degree of flexibility.

Also, for origins, we could say that this was an Allagan creation that was revived by the Garleans upon discovery of the Soul Stones. It's canon that Omega taught them much about Aetherochemistry, and I wouldn't put it past them to use it in a practical, combat setting. Modern day Alchemists are probably an evolution of the ideas first put forth by the Chemist, but bogged down by ethics and other legalities.

Chemist is a great idea! They should use guns like they did in FFT. xP

Some further thoughts:

Ninja Mudras don't necessarily need all 3 button presses to work, and I don't know if you want that same idea here. The drinks used straight up are buffs on yourself, but if you use a single-target heal, the Mix will affect a single target. Using an AoE heal will make the Mix affect all allies in range. However, using a damaging spell could make the Mix a debuff that affects a target, and likewise with an AoE damage spell turning the Mix into an AoE debuff on all enemies nearby the initial target. This still keeps it similar to the Ninja Mudra idea, but changes it enough so that's it's not a direct copy.

I was thinking Power Salves would make Regens, Magic Salves make Shields, and Speed Salves make buffs.

You could make the Fang items the basic spells (Fire Fang is single target, Thunder Fang is Multi-target, and Blizzard Fang is instant-cast), though I'm not sure how Mixes would affect the offensive spells. Maybe Strong+Fang just increases the damage, Speed turns them into a DoT, Magic makes a Debuff?

I know this will draw heavy comparisons to the other healing Jobs we currently have, but it doesn't seem like they want to make a job that does something other than regens and shields. I'm not sure if they should be able to mix into each other, and if so, if the effects should stack. Maybe another cooldown will allow multi-Drink mixing to get out multiple effects on the next Mix action. (Call it Distill or something, I dunno)

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Originally Posted by Lynesse

Chemist is a great idea! They should use guns like they did in FFT. xP

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and bags as secondaries!

I'm not going to lie I like where this is going. I hope the devs read this

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Originally Posted by Sieben79

and bags as secondaries!

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Or make a briefcase their main weapon filled with chemicals and beakers and stuff.

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Originally Posted by Lynesse

Chemist is a great idea! They should use guns like they did in FFT. xP

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FFX and FFX-2 were my first introductions to the series so Chemist is immediately brought into my head as the Alchemist Dress Sphere from FFX-2 which used large guns.

Chemist = Healing mudras is something I have wanted since Ninja was a thing, I think it is a great idea and works for XIV. The weak arguments I have heard against it are A) Alchemist already exists - which is countered by calling the job Salve Maker, and B) Mix just makes it a harder to play healer with the same payoff, which is why I think that Mix should be purely for buffs/debuffs/damage, like AST. The megalixers/X potions etc. should simply be cooldown heals like Lustrate and Benediction.

To further refine your idea, I would name their raise "Revive" instead (as it is in FFV) and make their LB3 "Final Phoenix" (named after the mix command from FFX).

I think Chemist is a great idea because of the lore implications, the job could be tied to the NPCs of the alchemist guild, and the weapon itself could have an interesting design. I always imagined it as a kind of "aetherial grenade launcher" that the chemist uses to mix the salves and shoot them at allies and enemies.

Edit: Oh, and the Job gauge holding the mix commands works perfectly (imagine a cauldron filling up)

I'd play it. Would be pretty interesting learning the mixes and how to weave them in when a savage boss is murdering your face.

The idea of using 'Mudras' to cast and heal reminds me of Dungeon Master!

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/hp0U4iIi4l8/hqdefault.jpg

Now I really feel old =(

Not a bad idea, I'd play it :D. Posting for support.

There would have to be cooldowns and consequences for messing up your mixes though... and they would only be able to hold 1 mixture (because Astro can only hold 1 and their crown)... not to mention that it would have to similar to the other heals... it's mix would be a extra bonus like Astro cards... with basic heals and 3 attacks (1 DOT, 1 spammable, and 1 AOE)... creating a healer this complex is against what they are doing... they want to simplify the jobs... having a heal where u spend so much time focusing on your mixtures would only cause problems... we have to look at how they are trying to balance the 3 we have...

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

Aaaand, I made an ability/trait list (the potencies are probably really undertuned, but this is just the basic idea).

Would absolutely love to see Chemist as a job, much more than dancer imo, but both are strong ideas for healer jobs.

I personally think Dancer would work really well as a melee equivalent to BRD/MCHs support DPS style rather than a healer. I've wanted a Chemist style healer for a while now and the OP has made some brilliant suggestions. I also love how it has the potential to be a job that could also have direct links to a crafting class in the game. Would be interesting to see all the lore behind that. Love this suggestion!!

I've loved the idea of a healer that uses something other than magic to heal since tactics and always hoped something like that would come to FFXIV. The bit about potion mixing similar to mudras is brilliant. I fully support this being a future job.

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Originally Posted by Kwoon

I'd play it. Would be pretty interesting learning the mixes and how to weave them in when a savage boss is murdering your face.

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"That potion turned me into a rabbit."

As a healer main, I really love this idea. I would glamour chemist similar to a military medic. :)

To start the quest you must find the top chemist...Heisenberg aka....Walter White.

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Originally Posted by Anienai

To start the quest you must find the top chemist...Heisenberg aka....Walter White.

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TIME TO COOK

I really hope Mr. Yoshida and team take this into consideration. Regarding new jobs for the next expansion, Chemist is the one I want the most.

This job sounds awesome, would love to see this over dancer if given the choose between the two. For balance the buffs/debuffs would have to be slightly weaker than Astros due to them not being random with a oGCD that makes ur mix super buffed/debuffed every 80-120secs. Totally support this idea.

This is actually a phenomenal idea, give them a sort of two handed alchemists canon where the various selves are loaded into and then used. I hate healing in this game and honestly I'd play the crap outta this

i like it better if use magical elixirs and potions Magic is always better.

It's a really good idea for another Healer.

At first I've though that it would be a copy of mudra system, which is unaceptable, every job needs to be unique in it's core mechanic, but the difference is "It always uses 3 Drinks to produce a mix, so, that's acceptable.

But, there's something you would like to change. All of the "mix" is the same, like PSM or MSP both are the same combination. I would like to suggest changing into: MMM, SSS, PPP, PSS, PMM, SPP, SMM, MSS, MPP, MSP. As you can see, they all are different, and ended up bringing 10 mix combinations, if its too much, then let's discart MMM, SSS and PPP, as they are the less of a "mix".

I always thought that they wouldn't add chemist because of alchemist but maybe they could start the job quests over at the alchemists guild. The guild master could tell you about one of his students trying to use his creations to develop an art for healing in battle. Something similar to the MCH quests. Since Ul Dah is technically at war now, it wouldn't be far fetched for them to try and develop new weapons and skills since historically new weapons are usually developed in times of war.

I've been thinking, would be soo cool if Chemist does oposite effect of the Item with a Nihopaolaola Stance Ability, same of FFXII. So with this instance all itens do the oposite effect, potion will hurt, megalixir aoe damage, remedy could be 120s cooldown normaly dispel all dbuffs, but inverted effect inflict various.

Obviously the oposite effect of the skill will have different potency, for balance purposes.

Some itens may sound overpower, but let's just balance the oposite effect.
Ex:
Pheonix down > Turn target undead, leaving a rooting damage over time effect with a potency of X for X seconds.
Ether > Silence for X seconds or just no effect

So much can be done...