Okay I was under the impression that Heal pot > MND (I mean the whole reason for stacking mnd is to get heal pot right?), but some people I've talked to tell me that Mnd causes cure to heal for more than straight heal pot, which in my mind doesn't add up, but as I've never done any tests to the contrary I can't really be sure.
Also another question: is heal pot to weapon still bugged? Was it ever bugged at all? I remember reading a thread which seemed to suggest that for some reason when you meld heal pot to weapon it doesn't take effect.
MND vs Healing potency?
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12-31-2011, 12:19 PMFeliciaValeMND vs Healing potency?
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12-31-2011, 12:36 PMZenaku
Mind = healing potency the Question is Healing potency 40 is better then Mind +20 how much does 1 Mind give to healing potency i may test that out later and see if mind is better then the 1.6+mil healing potency that i have not yet got from doing spirtbond partys seem the rate of getting that is sooooooooo lowwwwww.
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12-31-2011, 04:39 PMRicepudding
Myself with a +22 Healing potency weapon and a +22 Healing potency hat, and an LS mate of mine with a +47 Mind weapon and +40 Mind Hat, both heal within roughly the same range.
Mind is definitely worth more for pure healing numbers than it was pre-patch, but +Healing potency will still give you higher heals when compared to equal amounts of Mind. However, multi-melding +Mind is a MUCH cheaper alternative, so it really depends on how much one is willing to spend.
PS: that "bug" thing was never really a bug :P I had thought it was when I made that thread a long while ago, but after a bunch of testing and input from others, we found out that the effect of healing potency wasn't very high pre-patch. As it stands right now though, post-patch, it has a greater impact on healing numbers. -
01-01-2012, 03:51 AMEstellios
MND also has other benefits, namely it boosts Magic Accuracy as well, so there is some merit in using it over Healing Potency.
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01-04-2012, 10:07 AMDeli
I will go 100% mind only if gear itself come with healing magic potency. con doesn't really lack of mp, so shouldn't warry about healing amount tho. add so many mind only boost tiny...
The equal healing magic thing, that means +healing magic due to increase in mind.
http://t.imgbox.com/aalTpm4Q.jpg
http://t.imgbox.com/aandjiEW.jpg
picture of Mind (X) vs Cura cure amount (Y)
if you want to see the data: (warning! most ppl don't like how I organize them...)
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01-05-2012, 08:10 AMTechnolust
Felicia,
We have been over this, MND > Healing Magic Potency. We have done extensive tests in the linkshell to determine these result. Not to mention MND also grants bonuses to other stats. -
01-06-2012, 07:16 AMRicepuddingWhy would you consider MND > +Healing as a healer?Quote:
Originally Posted by Technolust
Looking at Deli's spreadsheet, it seems like +Healing Potency is worth double in bonus healing for Cura when compared to the bonus you get from +MND. The only reason I can see it as being a better choice is if you're low on gil, but even still you'd need a triple-melded Tier IV MND head and weapon to match a double-melded Tier III +Healing head and weapon. So either you get really lucky with triple-melds (and Tier IV triple-melds at that), or you end up spending a lot of gil trying to get em.
In terms of the other stats you gain (aka. M.accuracy), if I need to be nuking as conj, I'd much prefer hitting my macro to throw on a nuking set equipped with straight +M.acc rather than nuking in healing gear (not to mention that would give me much more M.acc than the M.acc I gain through ~80ish mind).
That pretty much covers my bases of understanding, so unless gil is the issue, I cannot see why MND would be > +Healing for a healer. -
01-06-2012, 07:43 AMTechnolustThe issue with Deli's spreadsheet data is it doesn't test MND vs Healing Potency, it tests MND vs MND & Healing Potency. I'll run some tests to show you my point, as I've already done the test but can't find that spreadsheet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ricepudding
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01-06-2012, 09:38 AMRicepuddingIn his tests, the difference between a 0 MND cura vs. an 8 MND cura is (on average) 1034 vs. 1038. That alone is a good indicator that when matching up the 1068 average of +27 MND vs. the 1065 average of +8 MND/+12 Healing, the +8 MND in that +Healing set is doing very little to contribute to that higher number.Quote:
Originally Posted by Technolust
I'm still interested in seeing your tests though, more data won't hurt. -
01-06-2012, 09:49 AMTechnolustI'll post it give me a few days.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ricepudding
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01-10-2012, 03:15 AMknite23
like i go in every forum and say if you stack one stat or prioritize one over another to much you will fall short its a balance depending on gear weapon etc and i think the spread sheet proves that
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01-24-2012, 04:23 PMLirrenure
Personally I've notice 32 change my heals by as much as 100, but 18 HMP changes them from 150-200, i'm gonna continue to play around with it, however, I would say if you can afford it HMP.
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02-14-2012, 02:44 AMFalcus4 mind = 1 heal potency.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zenaku
I dunno if mind gives a hidden extra effect to healing though. -
02-14-2012, 04:04 PMKinseykinzMindQuote:
Originally Posted by Falcus
Healing Magic Potency
Magic Accuracy
Damage Dealt by GLA, THM and CNJ arms
-From SE
So yes 1 Heal Pot= 4 Mind
The 'hidden effect' is that extra mind adds magic acc, which can lower your resist rates (you can get resisted on cures too). The 'lowered resist' threshold is probably what is causing the flux in numbers. That and as others have said, stacking only one stat is also unbalanced and leads to less-effective gameplay. -
02-16-2012, 08:58 AMRicepudding
http://kanican.livejournal.com/54846.html
Pretty much answers everything healing-related in terms of which stats effect heals by which amount in the current patch (1.20). -
03-22-2012, 04:38 AMVelena
Any discussions on a MND cap with AF equipped?
Playing with post-patch jewelry combinations and was wondering how others felt about using 2 Turquoise rings (MND +15 x2). Or perhaps this is overkill. -
03-22-2012, 04:43 AMSynysterBlitzId stack two +15 MND rings (or +18 HQ MND rings) not too many alternatives out there.. could use black pearls and hope your cures crit a lil more often...Quote:
Originally Posted by Velena
Pump as much Healing Potency as you can as well, I am unsure of the MND cap.. but atm MND Materia usually gets melded onto Head/Main Hand for WHM/CNJ .. WHM Af gives +25 healing magic now and there is a staff in Aurum Vale that has +40 Healing magic potency .. don't know the name off hand tho... -
03-22-2012, 05:02 AMEstelliosI personally go with the black pearl rings if I need to do any nuking, or VIT rings since 2 VIT rings gives you a few points of Enhancing Magic, which equates to a few more points of Regen and I find that invaluable. MND isn't bad and does double duty of both healing potency and magic accuracy, but AF gives us so much healing potency that I feel it is better to use accessories for other functions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Velena