4v4 Practice Mode - SE Please

Is there a way to, or can SE please implement, practice for 4v4 Ranked Feast? I feel as though 8v8 and Frontlines cannot adequately prepare folks for 4v4. Even a hall of the novice that has tasks like: What to do when being CC'd as a healer, focusing the same target as your co-DPS, CCing a healer, and when to pick up stacks. I think it would help out a lot...maybe. I just feel bad as I try to learn as a healer and end up ruining 3 other peoples' run.
Before 4.0 is was quite simple to Feast and learn on the fly however, I feel with the new changes, the margin for error has decreased substantially. Just as I think I've got it some DPS fails to focus that Tank with 8 stacks, or Tank LoS me and doesn't CC the other healer and all is lost. It is very frustrating especially at the lower tiers.

Implementing a way for unranked, bronze, and even Silver players to train will alleviate the stress that plagues Feast devotes.

And yes, I'm aware the "git gud" comments are incoming but even when I heal everything appropriately it only takes one screw up by someone who doesn't care to screw the match for all 4 of us.

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Originally Posted by Tillen

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There is a training mode, It's 8v8. It's just there's no requirement separating players who want to win in ranked and who just queue for the hell of it, there will be nothing different if there was just a "4v4 training mode"

At least if it's 4v4 training, you don't actually lose anything and you learn your class in PVP a bit more accurately than the clown car simulator that is 8v8.

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Originally Posted by Jigokunoreizasan

There is a training mode, It's 8v8. It's just there's no requirement separating players who want to win in ranked and who just queue for the hell of it, there will be nothing different if there was just a "4v4 training mode"

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It would be vastly different. 4v4 is barely even comparable to 8v8, especially ever since they removed role restrictions.

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Originally Posted by KusoWat

It would be vastly different. 4v4 is barely even comparable to 8v8, especially ever since they removed role restrictions.

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They just need to retouch up on 8v8, If there's no class restrictions on 8v8 I doubt they'll add one to practice 4v4. Make it so it's 2 healers 2 tanks 4 dps and it'd actually be somewhat playable and not a clown show

That's called preseason

I'd also like a 4v4 mode that is not ranked. Sometimes I wanna queue up but I don't wanna ruin my rank by messing around on classes.

A proper 4v4 practice mode would go a long way. 8v8 is not effective for teaching how 4v4 works, and custom matches require 8 people to gather, form teams, and challenge each other; often times, just getting 8 people is tough enough. And SE showed just how little preseason matters when they decided to start S5 without having gathered enough data to facilitate balance changes.

A proper 4v4 practice/unranked mode would really be a great idea, especially at this time when so many new players are taking up interest in the Feast.

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Originally Posted by ThirdChild_ZKI

A proper 4v4 practice mode would go a long way. 8v8 is not effective for teaching how 4v4 works, and custom matches require 8 people to gather, form teams, and challenge each other; often times, just getting 8 people is tough enough. And SE showed just how little preseason matters when they decided to start S5 without having gathered enough data to facilitate balance changes.

A proper 4v4 practice/unranked mode would really be a great idea, especially at this time when so many new players are taking up interest in the Feast.

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That's true but there still needs to be some sort of feast unranked touch up, If they implement an unranked 4v4 without even fixing 8v8 you know what'll be like? 4 dps vs 4 dps. There needs to be class structure in unranked as it is in ranked.

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Originally Posted by Arthur_Gwen

That's called preseason

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Pre-season isn't good enough for the FFXIV community. Too many people don't know how to play 4v4 pvp. I've seen tanks picking up defense buffs (nobody is going to be attacking the tank in the first ~1.5 minutes of the match, so that's 1.5 minutes of the buff going to waste), melee DPS limit breaking targets without calling out they are using it, healers who stand in the open, healers casting their attack spells when someone is dying next to them, tanks not helping by stunning the healer properly etc. I've seen people call out at the beginning of a game "Attacking ranged" but then the ranged class comes out with a defense buff, well great, switch to the melee or the healer then, don't waste your time attacking the person with the defense buff.... People don't know how to think dynamically. They probably need a guide.

I've never seen a pvp community an MMO as bad as the one in these game. I can't figure out why.

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Originally Posted by Aramyth

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Please tell me which quick chat command says "Using Adrenaline Rush on Target!"

The best we can do is let you know we're at 100% so you don't waste that adrenaline sitting on the ground.

Attacking healer!
Adrenaline Rush at 100%
Attacking healer!

Then do it two more times, if you think you need to. There you go.

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Originally Posted by Aramyth

I've never seen a pvp community an MMO as bad as the one in these game. I can't figure out why.

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In other games, people can tell you if you're doing something bad, whether it be in chat or via voice.

In this game, the worst you will see is "Thank you." And "Nice job!"

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Originally Posted by Aramyth

Pre-season isn't good enough for the FFXIV community. Too many people don't know how to play 4v4 pvp. I've seen tanks picking up defense buffs (nobody is going to be attacking the tank in the first ~1.5 minutes of the match, so that's 1.5 minutes of the buff going to waste), melee DPS limit breaking targets without calling out they are using it, healers who stand in the open, healers casting their attack spells when someone is dying next to them, tanks not helping by stunning the healer properly etc. I've seen people call out at the beginning of a game "Attacking ranged" but then the ranged class comes out with a defense buff, well great, switch to the melee or the healer then, don't waste your time attacking the person with the defense buff.... People don't know how to think dynamically. They probably need a guide.

I've never seen a pvp community an MMO as bad as the one in these game. I can't figure out why.

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So we need the chat back

And we've come full circle.

Lots of new players who don't know what to do, and a limited quick chat system that does little to change that and is barely useful for its intended purpose, not to mention rather annoying. And did I say limited?

Also little to no effort on SE's part to help people learn, even after oversimplifying the PvP combat system entirely. . . Whoever's handling development and management of PvP in this game. . . please stop.

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Originally Posted by Arthur_Gwen

That's called preseason

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And you are absolutely correct. However I think with a major expac there was so much to do leading up to the Season that queues were abysmal. Top tier players weren't queuing as much and frontlines provided more exp, so feast wasnt attractive to the Feast casual. I think for Season 6 it will be a lot smoother but for Season 5, I think launch was done poorly.

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Originally Posted by Aramyth

Attacking healer!
Adrenaline Rush at 100%
Attacking healer!

Then do it two more times, if you think you need to. There you go.

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The problem with that is no one listens to call outs.

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Originally Posted by RedHerb

I'd also like a 4v4 mode that is not ranked. Sometimes I wanna queue up but I don't wanna ruin my rank by messing around on classes.

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That's also a great option and idea. Having unranked allows players to practice and top tier to feast without worrying about losing points.

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Originally Posted by Jigokunoreizasan

There is a training mode, It's 8v8. It's just there's no requirement separating players who want to win in ranked and who just queue for the hell of it, there will be nothing different if there was just a "4v4 training mode"

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And you're right. Another idea could be unranked against unranked only. Or even adding, let's say, Copper rank. Where people have to achieve a minimum of 100 points in order to play in real ranked matches. This would force people to win a minimu of 4-6 matches before progressing to the real tiers. I just think it is important to protect silver/bronze players from the unranked. Also, I feel as though 8v8 can't properly prepare folks for 4v4. Because of the lack of role restrictions.

Another idea is to implement 4v4 training mode with role restrictions. I think queues would suck so, it could be incentivized with something like cracked clusters or w/e for the winning team. This would at least allow those players that want to play ranked an avenue or training and they could play 20-30 matches with people who want to win and properly train. Then they could step into ranked. Or just make the current 4v4 ranked where unranked play other unranked only. Either way I still feel something needs to be done.

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Originally Posted by ThirdChild_ZKI

And we've come full circle.

Lots of new players who don't know what to do, and a limited quick chat system that does little to change that and is barely useful for its intended purpose, not to mention rather annoying. And did I say limited?

Also little to no effort on SE's part to help people learn, even after oversimplifying the PvP combat system entirely. . . Whoever's handling development and management of PvP in this game. . . please stop.

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Absolutely. There are so many PvP games out there to take pointers from, and learn lessons from, that its like they are developing FFXIV PvP with blinders on.

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Originally Posted by Tillen

The problem with that is no one listens to call outs.

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Because even when you spam it, it seems to be not clear for anyone. Its more like:

Healer: "Attacking melee!" (focus melee please)
DPS: "Attacking ranged" (Ah ok, you attack melee, we attack someone else.)
Healer: "Attacking melee! Attacking melee! Attacking melee!" (No! I want you to focus melee!!!)
DPS: "Attacking ranged" (We got it, you attack melee. We attack someone else.)
Healer: "Hello" (I m done... I m out.)


It would help a bit, if we at least got commands like this:

• "Yes."
• "No."
• "Attack [role/job]!"
• "[playername] take Buff/Medals/Whatever!"
• "Help!"

Or just enable chat again.

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Originally Posted by Caitlyn

Because even when you spam it, it seems to be not clear for anyone. Its more like:

Healer: "Attacking melee!" (focus melee please)
DPS: "Attacking ranged" (Ah ok, you attack melee, we attack someone else.)
Healer: "Attacking melee! Attacking melee! Attacking melee!" (No! I want you to focus melee!!!)
DPS: "Attacking ranged" (We got it, you attack melee. We attack someone else.)
Healer: "Hello" (I m done... I m out.)


It would help a bit, if we at least got commands like this:

• "Yes."
• "No."
• "Attack [role/job]!"
• "[playername] take Buff/Medals/Whatever!"
• "Help!"

Or just enable chat again.

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GET THE MEDALS!! GET THE MEDALS!! (oh lord i'll just take them stop staring at them Mr. 50 medals!)

I've always thought that if we're not getting our chat back (looks unlikely), then at least make quick chat commands by role since that seems to be the way things are going now. Some commands are going to exist for every role, but some, like healer, need things like "I'm stunned/silenced", "You're out of my line of sight", etc.

yes please, practice mode 4v4

Unless someone has mentioned it already, you can do 4v4 practice through Custom Matches. I have never tried it myself but there's apparently no chat restriction with custom matches.

Right now, the best you can do is to invite your FC buddies and/or create a PvP linkshell and get people to together through that.

Cross-server custom matches and cross-server linkshells are supposedly coming with 4.1 so it will become a lot easier to find people to play with.