Fate bots in the game

The amount of Fate bots in the fringes is really disturbing ... and hear me out its not a "i think theres so many players they must bot" thing ... its more like a "If 30 chocobos fly in a pixel pefect line and land on the same spot" theres something wrong.

I can understand that some players have less time then others and cant play as much but everyday there are more fate bots.

http://i.imgur.com/2m9darP.png

And it gets very obvious when the Maiden pops ... and is ignored, the thing that increases your exp ...

http://i.imgur.com/bEo6rOk.png

But this is not even the worest part to me ... the moment you confront them, the apperent believe is that these bots "help" us.

http://i.imgur.com/ptG56Pd.jpg

Is this now accepted behaviour? Are we allowed to Fate-bot? This is very fruistating for legit players!

It is very frustrating. Unfortunately, SE doesn't seem to care about bots. There are players on my server that have been bot gathering since the beginning of Heavensward and are still at it despite numerous reports from many people.

It is frustrating to see. You know... this is not the only time I've seen bots or cheaters.

For instance, I saw a number of players in pixel perfect spots doing their... MSQ? They were in the Adder's Nest. IIRC, I saw a dozen of level ups in one second. I also saw some new players literally teleporting around the map, and even shooting at enemies from underground with their Archer, as if they have noclip. This was in Lower La Noscea back when I was just grinding a new class.

Perhaps this one is but another case of the bots at work...

While bot is against the Terms, I'm more curious about how does bot affect you in this game. Unlike other MMO, bot has minimal effect at the end game of FFXIV.

All the best gil earning method can't be done by bot anyway.

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Originally Posted by Mirarara

While bot is against the Terms, I'm more curious about how does bot affect you in this game. Unlike other MMO, bot has minimal effect at the end game of FFXIV.

All the best gil earning method can't be done by bot anyway.

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Gathering and crafting can easily be botted, especially with how simple 2 star is now - you can do those with zero RNG abilities. Bots also join dungeons and PVP, where they of course perform terribly. They do indeed have a pretty big effect on endgame.

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Originally Posted by Elamys

Gathering and crafting can easily be botted. Bots also join dungeons and PVP, where they of course perform terribly.

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I'm assuming the end game as raiding in savage or roleplaying. For the first one, the bot can't do much to it (aside from automating the optimized rotation), so it doesn't matter.

For the second one, you probably need alot gil for it, but the best gil earning method can't be botted. Yes, gathering and crafting can be botted, but anything that can be botted is immediately not the best gil earning method because of oversupplying. For example, Everdeep was a great source of gil for quite some times because bot can't spearfish.

Personally I studied the capability of bot because that's the best way to earn gil (just do whatever they can't do). I can assure you that dungeon bot is most likely better than your average player in DF, except that they don't talk. PVP bot is a nuisance though, that I agree with.

Bots don't have to use the most efficient methods of making money.... they can literally just farm non stop 24/7/365 and sell all the loots to npcs and still make gil... Gil they then try to sell to players... thus we get endlessly spammed to buy gil... Gil that can be used by unscrupulous players to buy things like housing (or multiple houses)... you see where this is going? Best methods of making money arnt in lump sums but from a constant trickle from multiple bots on a non-stop farm...

If I were you, I'd erase every single name in those screens or you could get banned instead for public shaming.

On topic, I agree they need to work on banning them.

Yeah bots are horrible, I reported a bunch of them last couple of days but it probably falls on deaf ears I'd imagine. I still see the same people there even right now.

At no point do i state anyone in this picture is a bot, i share my concern that this is a special situation.


Oh hi Selena i hope you remember me.

If this was an act of public shaming, i would get a warning not a perma ban and since that would be my first warning in 15 years with SE *shrug* so be it.

I love FATE bots because if there were no FATE bots, FATEs would be empty around this point in the expansion. When the FATE bots are not up, FATES in every zone are empty and there's nothing I can do about it because I cannot solo them at 61-62. They hurt literally nobody, if anything they make life easier for everyone because FATEs can be completed faster. To be clear, I'm not saying FATE bots are good, I'm saying HAVING FATE bots around is totally good, who can even argue when there are other bodies to take aggro from you and complete the FATE in 1-2 minutes with 0 risk of dying instead of 6-10?

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Originally Posted by Jonnycbad

To be clear, I'm not saying FATE bots are good, I'm saying HAVING FATE bots around is totally good, who can even argue when there are other bodies to take aggro from you and complete the FATE in 1-2 minutes with 0 risk of dying instead of 6-10?

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FATEs scale with how many players did them the last time round. So it's not making it faster for anyone.

There's also a lot to be said for while the rest of us aren't playing the game because we're sleeping/working/learning/having a life outside the game, these people are literally cheating, earning experience and progressing past what would be humanly possible because they are always online while the rest of us play by the rules.

I never really understood the attraction of letting a game play itself, anyways...

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Originally Posted by Elamys

There's also a lot to be said for while the rest of us aren't playing the game because we're sleeping/working/learning/having a life outside the game, these people are literally cheating, earning experience and progressing past what would be humanly possible because they are always online while the rest of us play by the rules.

I never really understood the attraction of letting a game play itself, anyways...

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Not that I agree with the usage of bot, different people enjoy the game differently. Some people like to play their character, some people enjoy being the top in something, some people enjoy having high numbers, and some people enjoy having gils even though it's objectively useless in the game.

I can see why some people prefer botting when their purpose is different.

This honestly annoys me to the point where I don't even want to level with FATEs in a zone if there's any bots around.

Knowingly benefiting from their existence in any form or fashion really bugs me.

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Originally Posted by Mirarara

While bot is against the Terms, I'm more curious about how does bot affect you in this game. Unlike other MMO, bot has minimal effect at the end game of FFXIV.

All the best gil earning method can't be done by bot anyway.

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It's not so much that a bot will negatively impact me, it's that following the rules has a negative impact. By doing everything without botting, I spend hours upon hours of my time for benefits they get while they are AFK. If SE wants to give the go-ahead and say botting is fine we won't do anything about it, then great! I'll get right on the train first thing tomorrow! But that's not how it works, so I just get to feel jealousy over these people not playing by the rules and getting not only what I have, but actually way more, for nothing.

Yeah, Fringes zone is full of bots that you can be 100% sure about. By not banning these accounts, S-E are saying it's a valid way to play.

To be equal, players who don't bot, or can't bot on PS4, would need to be given free character level boosts, free gil, seals, materials, crystals, etc just for logging in, because the bots can get all that with zero human time spent while the owner of the character sleeps.

Imagine you work hard all day, and your coworkers aren't even at their desks, but they are getting paid more than you for doing nothing because a bot does their job and it works overtime all the time. Doesn't that make you feel like your time is being wasted doing things that right way?

It's also horribly immersion- breaking see swarms of bots behaving oddly. Isn't it fair to ask for an online game where every person is a real person, and it's a fair and equal environment free of cheats and hacks.

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Originally Posted by Rufalus

Imagine you work hard all day, and your coworkers aren't even at their desks, but they are getting paid more than you for doing nothing because a bot does their job and it works overtime all the time.

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And not only that, but your boss says that you shouldn't do this, because it's against the rules. That's the biggest kicker.

Let's be clear : bots are wrong and mostly used by gil sellers to make gils.
A player using it because "FATEing or gathering is boring" or whatever reason is a cheater. This is in no way a valid reason to me : you do your gathering like everybody else, by riding your chocobo et actually playing. If it's boring, just cut the sound off and watch something at the same time (like Grimm which is equally as boring as gathering but surprisingly a fun watch in this case)

Policing by SE is and always has been a gigantic joke. How hard is it to create an in-game task force to simply hang out in key areas and drop the hammer on these bots and gilsellers? That monthly report on rmt is a load of complete b.s. when I can log in at this very instant and find offenders within 30 seconds. EASILY.

I have a question... are these bots one-shotting FATE mobs? Because I've noticed some really odd behaviour in a couple of FATEs, each time there was one player there. An example, Breaching the Hive which takes 29mins, was at 0%, it had just spawned. I was right by the place, entered, and... FATE failed, and one single player. Last night in Upper La Noscea same thing happened with the Surprise FATE, went from 15 mins 0% to instantly vanishing (this is the one where you protect the supplies). I mean, I know some can be one-shotted/zerged, but the Shroud one seems really odd :/

It's Northern Thanalan all over again.

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Originally Posted by micropanther7

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Not sure how Breaching the Hive could fail immediately as that one has no instant-fail condition. Defending the Hive does and it can fail fairly quickly, but not instantly.
Succeeding in Breaching the Hive can go pretty quick if you just focus gates (I switch to an overleveled class, get into an obscured position, and switch back before nuking the door to make it quicker), but that's still nowhere near instant either.

Surprise will fail stupidly fast if you're not right there to intercept the mobs (and is still sketchy even if you are). Succeeding at it instantly is not possible though since there are waves...

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Originally Posted by Dark-Saviour

Not sure how Breaching the Hive could fail immediately as that one has no instant-fail condition. Defending the Hive does and it can fail fairly quickly, but not instantly.
Succeeding in Breaching the Hive can go pretty quick if you just focus gates (I switch to an overleveled class, get into an obscured position, and switch back before nuking the door to make it quicker), but that's still nowhere near instant either.

Surprise will fail stupidly fast if you're not right there to intercept the mobs (and is still sketchy even if you are). Succeeding at it instantly is not possible though since there are waves...

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Thanks for the response :) Yeah that's what I thought was really odd about Breaching the Hive, the "Fate Failed" popped up as well... I went afk for about five minutes, my character was still by the hive and the FATE reappeared, really weird :O I completed that, and did Defending the Hive as well. I didn't get to the Surprise one, so didn't see for myself but it had just appeared on the map as well...

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Originally Posted by Mirarara

For the second one, you probably need alot gil for it, but the best gil earning method can't be botted. Yes, gathering and crafting can be botted, but anything that can be botted is immediately not the best gil earning method because of oversupplying. For example, Everdeep was a great source of gil for quite some times because bot can't spearfish.

Personally I studied the capability of bot because that's the best way to earn gil (just do whatever they can't do).

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Wait. Are you stating that your workaround a problem.... means there was no problem in the first place?

That's some weird logic.