So breeding between races is looked down upon yet adopting children from other races seems to be perfectly acceptable... so is it just a matter of biological sustainability and childbirth issues or is it along the lines of the way some people still view interracial relationships (for some stupid reason)?
Breeding vs adoption
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08-10-2017, 11:35 AMOkamimaruBreeding vs adoption
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08-10-2017, 12:47 PMCilia
A little of both, I'd wager.
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08-10-2017, 01:37 PMBelhi
There is probably a mix of factors. Its worth noting that the more cosmopolitan the society individuals are operating in, the more acceptable interracial relationships seem to be. People didn't seem even slightly bothered and F'lhammin's husband being an Elezen and we see other pairings like a Lalafel and a Miqote in Limsa.
I think it depends a lot on the culture and social standing. In Hilda's case it was probably more of a big deal because of Ishgard's rather conservative culture and the fact it was a noble involved. Nobles tend to be rather uptight about bloodlines in a lot of cultures.
The fact that there aren't more crossbreeds could be a result of biological issues effecting birth rates and/or just physical attractiveness. While some might be excited by the size and strength of a Roe many would find it highly intimidating. For that matter, you would likely have some pretty serious childbirth issues if any woman of a smaller race got pregnant to a male of a larger race. -
08-10-2017, 02:01 PMMagic-MalOr Square EnixQuote:
Originally Posted by Belhi
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08-10-2017, 03:04 PMBelhiWe are talking about lore reasons though. They will often adapt the lore to fit development or business decisions. A lot of lore is created from the writers finding ways to fit gameplay ideas into the existing canon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Magic-Mal
If we are honest, it is just impractical to deal with making crossbreed models for every race/age combination. Its far more simple to just give a lore reason to justify it. -
08-10-2017, 03:23 PMKageTokage
They've stated that the children of cross-breeds always take after their mothers very strongly, sometimes to the point where distinguishing them from a pureblood can be difficult if not impossible.
Of the three that are seen/mentioned, Arenvald looks like a perfectly normal Highlander, Hilda just has pointy ears, and the Au Ra/Hyur cross-breed mentioned in a tale from Sui-no-Sato was said to have had almost no scales, but was presumably ordinary in every other regard.
I feel like there probably are more cross-breeds around then it seems, it's just that most of them can blend in without issue. -
08-10-2017, 03:44 PMMagic-MalPretty sure crossbreeds can happen as easy as any normal baby happens. I don't recall reading or hearing anywhere that it's difficult for races to crossbreed. Only that for some cultures(like Ishgard) it's looked down upon. There's even a Hyur guy in a SB side quest who outright mentions how he wants to marry a Miqo'te girl and have children with her.Quote:
Originally Posted by Belhi
That's why I'mma chalk it down to "It's SE" because it's been proven time and again that "rare" people who were otherwise never seen before, can be just.. made by SE and well they're real and all over the place now. Like Highlander/Roegadyn females, Miqo'te males, female Miqo'te children(males still don't exist yet :rolleyes:), Hyurezans, and the entire Au Ra race that flooded into Eorzea within a patch with no explanation until Stormblood where they also created Au Ra children.
Soooo... I think it's safe to go along with "It's SE" -
08-10-2017, 04:11 PMFJerome
Correct me if I'm wrong but as far as I can remember every formal cross-racial adoption we've seen (as in raising the child as your own rather than just taking them in and mentoring them) has been in Ul Dah? It may be that acceptance varies between the city-states and Ul Dah is more generally accepting of it than others, since there's also some high-profile mixed marriages there, like F'lhaminn's and possibly whatever the heck is going on over in the Amajina family.
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08-10-2017, 04:47 PMBelhiWe haven't had any conclusive evidence either way. Is what you are saying that they exist but they just aren't shown? Possibly. We really don't have enough information to quantify either way. However I do believe Koji implied crossbreeds were pretty rare, and with the number of cross species relationships we see, it isn't too much to think that might mean that there is a biological cause.Quote:
Originally Posted by Magic-Mal
In all truth everything we say here is speculation. Maybe someone can ask Koji at Pax West.
Honestly it sound from the lore book that the case with Pipin was that the adoption was half adoption, half apprentice. -
08-10-2017, 07:04 PMEnur
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post490835
Crossbreeding can happen but is just very rare. -
08-10-2017, 07:28 PMMagic-MalWelp... Time to change that lore! 2017! 2017! 2017!Quote:
Originally Posted by Enur
Okay seriously though I still can only take that with answer with a grain of salt since Miqo'te males were "rare". So "rare" that they couldn't even be seen by the players. Now Miqo'te men are everywhere. And there are a lot of NPCs around too. Even a good bunch in Kugane!
Yes Belhi that was where I was getting at.Quote:
Originally Posted by Belhi
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08-11-2017, 03:20 AMKyran-Varlsen
Well, if any of the Ishgardian Hyur we saw could turn into dragons upon drinking dragons blood then that would be conclusive proof that Elezan and Hyur can produce fertile offspring.
But that's the thing, do we see any Hyur Heretics turn into a lesser dragon? I don't know for sure. That would basically be instant proof of fertile crossbreeds since all the knights of King Thordan were indeed Elezan.
Perhaps it would be a mistake on the developers part if one of the Heretics using a Hyur model turned into a lesser dragon. But in the absence of an assured answer, it would be as good a proof as any. -
08-11-2017, 07:31 AMBerethosPre-Calamity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Magic-Mal
I don't know if there's any official word on this, but it's a pretty logical conclusion that the increase in the presence of Miqo'te males is a result of the Calamity and the impact that has had on various societies.
That being said, if you plan on dismissing so quickly answers provided by one the individuals that helps create the world's lore, you're certainly in for a fun time. -
08-11-2017, 07:08 PMMagic-MalI don't believe everything they say because on many occasions did they say for example, that something won't ever happen then all of a sudden it happens(Ex. No invisible shields would ever be added to the game because of obvious lore and animation reasons then nect patch it's released lol)Quote:
Originally Posted by Berethos
A perfect example is the lore that was retconned for Nael Deus Darnus. All I'm saying is, things are always open to change. Just like how Au Ra decided they wanted to exist. -
08-12-2017, 07:07 AMKogekigami
It comes down to how big the offspring. In the idea of horses for example you can breed shires (the second largest breed) with shetlands( the second smallest) with a shire farther and shetland mother though the danger comes the child birth to the mother.
So races like Hyur elezen miqo'te and aura (seeing it seems to be puberty when male aura shoot up where females stay small) would have no problem cross breeding. Lala's I picture have to stick to lala partners for children as the female are not much bigger then a human child so a human sized baby would be a large problem for her. And carrying the child alone could be deadly. As for roes we have yet to see Roe children to get an idea of how big they are. If there like the Aura and seem to be similar to human size them spurt up at puberty it could be possible but looking at the hip span of female roes I picture the kids to be pretty big. -
08-12-2017, 07:15 PMAmetrineI thought Nael was less a retcon and more a translation error gone horribly wrong. Non-gendered pronouns in the JP version, male pronouns in EN, suddenly revealed to be a female under the mask. Oh crap, said the EN team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Magic-Mal
Thus the Eula switcheroo. -
08-12-2017, 08:43 PMEnkidohMagic-Mal I think is more referring to the fact that when ARR was first released there were calls to bring back Nael's final boss fight from 1.0 and SE basically said "no", only to then later do just that with Second Coil... sort of.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ametrine
They've stuck to their guns though as far as Gaius being dead and gone is concerned however, so I regard Nael's return in turn 9 as an exception rather than the rule.
SE are fairly consistent and firm when it comes to keeping within their own lore, and mixed-racial characters being rare is one such example. -
08-22-2017, 01:54 AMCelefHum.....still wondering how lalaXroe would work ^^"Quote:
Originally Posted by Magic-Mal
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08-22-2017, 03:48 AMCaesarCV
There actually is an explanation regarding crossbreeding and harming the mother. It was talked about earlier in the thread, with mentioning how they usually take after the mother primarily. This is how, for example, a Lalafell could crossbreed with a Roegadyn. The baby would still be Lalafell sized, even if it would take on some Roegadyn characteristics. That being said, it's likely that there would be a decent chance of mechanical dysfunction regarding such a pairing, but that's another issue entirely. Despite their rarity, I would love for them to be available as player options at some point, since player characters have a larger justification to be 'special'.
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08-22-2017, 09:07 AMMagic-MalPsh.. Simple. Get a Roegadyn woman and a Lalafell jock. Put the Roe on her back, Lalafell latches on like a leech, and watch science happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaesarCV
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08-23-2017, 12:40 AMVexanderKrile was raised by a Hyur, I believe. Baldesion. That said, Sharlayan doesn't seem like it'd have an issue with something like that. If anything I imagine people would've hoped Baldesion would write a paper about the experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by FJerome