While we're on the subject of overhauling the battle system, am I the only one that would really, really like to be able to not have to completely stop to draw my weapon or put it away?
I would just love to be able to charge rodent x, draw my weapon and show it the world of pain it clearly deserves with the jarring transition.
Simple request, I would hope simple fix. I don't know if anyone else feels the same.
p.s. I sincerely apologize if this has been posted, I ran a search and didn't see anything, which honestly was rather surprising.
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03-16-2011, 12:53 PMAlexis_Arteme[dev1022] Not stopping to draw a weapon and go into "active mode"
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03-16-2011, 12:57 PMTonyMontana+1 to not stopping to draw or put away weapons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexis_Arteme
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03-16-2011, 12:58 PMMagicofGaia
I think they could reduce the delay that it takes to perform the action, such as they did with gathering actions. I don't know about not stopping at all.
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03-16-2011, 12:59 PMSol_Aureus
oh god please yes! being able to move while switching between active and passive modes is one of my biggest wishes, and the stopping thing REALLY gets on my nerves!
Unfortunately it probably won't be a "simple" fix, almost nothing is ever "simple". They'd have to redo animations for it to make it look good, and that takes quite a bit of work. -
03-16-2011, 01:23 PMAikoThis is probably true, but to be perfectly honest I would gladly welcome a minor hiccup in the animation if it meant I didn't have to stop to draw/sheath my weapon...Quote:
Unfortunately it probably won't be a "simple" fix, almost nothing is ever "simple". They'd have to redo animations for it to make it look good, and that takes quite a bit of work.
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03-16-2011, 03:29 PMJagermeister
please yes! i want my FULL 30sec of Quickstride!
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03-16-2011, 03:32 PMSparkerQuickstride is pointless as it is to get away from agro. By the time I pull out my weapon, and do whatever grunt/fart move that is to pop the ability I am pretty much dead. Better off to just run at normal speed and see what happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jagermeister
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03-16-2011, 03:34 PMKilta_Firelotus
ummmm every game makes you stop to draw your weapon. >.> even ffxi and WoW. Name 1 rpg that doesn't make you stop a sec then I'll eat my worlds And I need a vid link of it.
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03-16-2011, 03:37 PMSparker
ffxi did not require you to pull out your weapon to do every ability. You could cast and do job abilities without being in "attack" mode. ffxiv requires "active mode" to do anything. If you agro in ffxi, pop off flee and zoom away. No stopping to crap your pants first.
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03-16-2011, 03:42 PMNepheraeq2Quote:
Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlQcd...eature=related
any instant attack will draw your weapon as a part of the attack
really we're not even asking for that, we just wanna be able to draw while running. -
03-16-2011, 03:50 PMTonyMontanaAn instant attack in wow draws your weapon too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nephera
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03-16-2011, 04:02 PMHeroMaplestoryQuote:
Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus
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03-16-2011, 04:04 PMSynthesis
Yes please ! To be able to draw or undraw weapon during a movenet !
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03-16-2011, 04:16 PMEvangela
LOL, I just figured out that why we have to stop running everytime we draw/undraw weapon. in another game we can do it while running
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03-16-2011, 04:25 PMRymiaQuote:
Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus
Could not possibly be more wrong, you've clearly never played WoW or any other MMO by that. you can draw/sheethe weapons in WoW while moving, swimming, jumping just by pressing the default Z bind, it also does it whenever you use a spell, skill or enter auto attack on a mob(even if it's out of range) the same can be said for pretty much every major MMORPG released in the last 8-10 years if not even further back.
WoW:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgE8T...eature=related
See how he simply runs in and.....without stopping his weapon is in his hand?
WoW (again): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gcp6yeY8Dh0
As soon as the event ends they engage the boss no having to stop and switch the start tanking, dpsing and healing as soon as he turns attackable.
WoW(Last one): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iatGk4TOlEA
Watch the Square marked tank, his weapons are clearly undrawn until he engages a Guardian of Yogg-Saron he does not have to stop for five seconds, he does it as he charges(or more likely, as he right clicks the mob when selecting his target)
Rift: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SodmRF7gKHM
Note how i charge into every boss without having to stop to draw my weapon, the weapon is in my hand and combat begins the instant i charge in.
Rift(again) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Bf6TGuIJ_g
another video for rift, not being tank PoV you might be able to see more clearly that they simple move in and start their opening rotations, it's smooth and seamless
Rift(last one): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ej7wnWXNqVA
If anything this is the best example as you can see, weapon is at his side, then he buff's and it's in hand, theres no delay the buff is cast as soon as the key is pressed, later on you will also see them going from pack to pack without having to stop and draw weapons
Aion: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATHIgoAfrJk
Again, no stopping to switch to "active mode" they simply click and kill.
Aion(again): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FevmV...eature=related
He runs into range of the trash and his weapons in hand without him stopping.
Lotro: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AttDr...eature=related
See here, he targets and fires no stopping to pull his bow out of his bum, target mob and shoot nothing else.
Lotro(again): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wx70o...eature=related
3man instance run, lot's of examples here
WAR: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hn3lVtUECd0
Same as all the above, seamless transition into combat.
Everquest 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwRvq...eature=related
He just moves into range and casts.
Dark Age of Camelot: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewg9N...eature=related
Same as all the above
Vanguard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNpb1...eature=related
Again, same as above, the slowest paced game in my list so far yet his weapons out and his skills being readied the second he presses the key.
Runes of Magic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Uekq...eature=related
Allods Online: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzVnf...eature=related
Guild Wars: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTrXf...eature=related
Age of Conan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnqFjAVuuPg
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03-16-2011, 04:39 PMjstadragon
In relation, I want to be able to cast spells and use abilities without having to take out my weapon (FF11). Actually, I'm not even sure why they need to have an active/passive mode stances. In FF11 it was seamless.
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03-16-2011, 04:50 PMSeif
Why is this NOT automatic?
It's like devolution of game mechanics from XI where this problem doesn't exist. -
03-16-2011, 04:58 PMRowyneKilta, no offense, hun, but every single post on these forums where you've posted some hard fact about pretty much every MMO on the market has been incorrect. >.<Quote:
Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus
FFXIV is the only MMO I've played where you DO stop when drawing your weapon. Not saying that it doesn't exist in other games, but I'm pretty sure it's uncommon.
Anyway... GOOD GODS it annoys me every time my character comes to a stop to unsheathe her weapon!!! Please, make this animation seamless! -
03-16-2011, 05:17 PMEvangela
Rymia, you make me missed Runes of Magic.... even it's just a WoW clone... but still incredible MMO!
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03-16-2011, 06:17 PMargwings
+1
maybe get rid of passive/active mode too, like said above. -
03-16-2011, 06:19 PMBetelgeuzahYes it does >_>.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seif
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03-17-2011, 06:07 AMJagermeisteri use Quickstride for getting around town. i still think its a great suggestion.... negative nancy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sparker
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03-17-2011, 06:25 AMRabidSquirrelI kind of wish active and passive modes were like WoW. You're passive until you have hate from an enemy. Drawing your weapon doesn't change which mode your in. And while we're at it, I would like it if you could run in active mode as fast as you can in passive mode. I'm really not sure why they have a movement speed decrease in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by jstadragon
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03-17-2011, 06:30 AMXeno
Stopping to draw your weapon I'm fine with, just pulling out your weapon every time you casting a spell or using a non weapon-based ability grinds my gears.
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03-17-2011, 06:32 AMviion
need JA0Wait XD haha. Everyone uses it now in XI
I agree on OP, it is silly that you stop. -
03-17-2011, 06:34 AMTonyMontana
I also dont like how if you are autorunning and you equip a piece of gear it makes you stop. I have put on various pieces of cloths in an all out sprint before its doable and should not make you stop running.
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03-17-2011, 06:42 AMMalakhim
I like the idea of an active and passive mode, but I definitely agree that having to stop when drawing a weapon is kind of annoying, moreso when you take the delay into account.
I'm still perplexed as to why SE has to handle EVERYTHING serverside... :( -
03-17-2011, 07:04 AMKurai
This would be amazing. good thread, lets hope SE implement it :)
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03-17-2011, 07:14 AMEnthy
Yes, please ^^ no stop to draw weapon would be really nice ^^
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03-17-2011, 07:52 AMLlan
I must agree with this thread, very well though. Why should warriors stop to draw their weapons! They should be able to do that while charging against the enemy!
I vote YES for this clever suggestion.
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03-17-2011, 07:59 AMOuka_Ranbu
First of all... running around with sharp/pointy thing is dangerous!
I don't mind stopping to change from active/passive mode.
However, I do mind that every single action that you perform has to change into passive mode.
It might be simpler if SE made it so that any hostile action against mob would put you into active mode.
As well as add opening skills that doesn't have delay from going passive to active against mob.
Like... Jump kick for Pugs! or Iai for Gladiator XD -
03-17-2011, 08:00 AMOuka_RanbuI mean active --;Quote:
Originally Posted by Ouka_Ranbu
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03-17-2011, 08:02 AMReikaNo, you dont have to stop and draw your weapon in WoW... This would be a fine ideaQuote:
Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus
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03-17-2011, 08:03 AMRentahamsterI would like this. Stopping in my tracks to get in and out of active mode is annoying and unnecessary.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexis_Arteme
I remember I mentioned this annoyance in a post I made about improving shields, but I don't think anyone else made a thread about it. /shrugQuote:
Originally Posted by Alexis_Arteme
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03-17-2011, 08:06 AMmelodicsolitudeWhat are you on? I think you have it backwards. MOST mmorpgs do not make you completely stop and wait a couple seconds to fully have your weapon out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus
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03-17-2011, 08:30 AMSparkerI wasn't trying to be negative, I am agreeing with the suggestion. My point is, that until they fix this, using quickstride to do what it is intended to do (flee from mobs or catch up to fleeing mobs) there is too much delay to use the abilty and put away your weapon to make it worth while.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jagermeister
Currently, I only use it to tease my LS mates and run around them in circles. -
03-17-2011, 10:34 AMWintersMoondancerThis, exactly. I saw a lowbie fighting something too strong and went about curing him while playing as pug (cure 2 is equipped). After the fight he thanked me and then said he got kind of freaked at first because my weapons were drawn and he thought i was going to MPK him... lolQuote:
Originally Posted by jstadragon
You should be able to cast magic (Cure, raise, etc), use Quickstride without taking weapon out. As a Miner, I can use any of the Prospect abilities (Miner's Flee) without ever having to draw my pick axe. So it's clearly not impossible to do this with other abilities.
In FF11 as a mage it was nice to cast spells without going in to battle mode. I miss that. -
03-17-2011, 10:55 AMAlexis_Arteme
WOW thanks for all the positive responses!! I certainly didn't expect this to be on the front page a day later. I really hope they can take a look at it when they get time. Thanks for all your support!
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03-17-2011, 11:02 AMKilta_Firelotus
you stop for .5 seconds >.> you guys know that right. You run stop for .5 secs as you draw then run.
I played Aion and well every other rpg. ffxi does this too. As there is no way to run WHILE drawing your weapon. You stop just for a bit. Pay attention more. Even WoW does this. You run you stall .5 sec then run. Its quick but noticeable. Elder scrolls does this also. You need to steady yourself and grab hold a weapon. Please in gaming sence running+ drawing weapons is 2 animations. It is hard to run both at ones. So there is a stall. -
03-17-2011, 11:08 AMKilta_Firelotus
bow to add if you can't run at all and stop fir a few secons to do it then That is completely different. Just ask for a faster transition between active and passive mode. But there is a stall to draw out your weapon due ti the 2 different animation. You guys may not notice it since it is so quick. Weapon drawing and running are 2 seperate animations and takes .5-1 sec to switch between. Like run> weapon drawn> run.
I been playing games a long time and learned to pay attention to details.