I don't know if I just don't understand Katana's, but the Katana, sheathed at your side, seems backward.
If you look at it, the bend of the blade goes up, in a way that would make it really awkward to pull out. To me, the bend should be in the other direction so that you could quickly unsheathe it for the Samurai's quick attack.
Does that even make sense to any of you? Is that the "Samurai's way", because they swap the direction when in battle, or some shit like that?
Am I Dumb?
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07-26-2017, 12:39 PMAsbelLahntAm I Dumb?
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07-26-2017, 12:55 PMChewieFlakes
If a samurai was really unsheathing it they'd hang on to the scabbard. They'd do it regardless or else it'd tug on their clothes and wiggle around and just look awkward/impractical. So imagine them grabbing the sheathe, bending it slightly so it's fully vertical and then unsheathing it (with their knuckles facing behind them when grabbing the hilt). Then as they unsheathe it, it will be in a practical cutting motion with the sharp edge slicing upwards and then forward.
I sound like an edgelord typing this but that's how it's suppose to work I imagine. -
07-26-2017, 01:00 PMKaedan
The first one (you are unfamiliar with katanas).
Katanas are always positioned with the curve up, so that the blade edge does not rest on the interior of the scabbard. That would needlessly dull and damage the edge.
As for drawing the katana, there are multiple "correct" ways to do it. The scabbard is grasped and then twisted in the appropriate direction for the appropriate draw.
In the case of FF14 Samurai, they are using Iaijutsu master-type samurai. Meaning they strike in the same motion as they draw the blade. "One Draw, One Cut." For a rather romanticized example, you can watch Ruroni Kenshin, which is the image in which Yoshi-P based samurai off. -
07-26-2017, 01:02 PMTexa
http://en.rocketnews24.com/2015/06/2...or-blade-down/ Here's a guide. They way a Samurai wears their sword changes depending on what they're wearing.
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07-26-2017, 01:03 PMMysticdraggon
there are usually three reasons
the first reason, as most swords are, is that the way a katana is attached to the waste is a rope. as it hangs, the bend is pointed upward.
the second is entirely for the blade's quality. if the blade rests on a scabbard or is drawn quickly as it grinds against the scabbards sides, the blade will dull very quickly.
another reason is that the position is completely necessary for specifically a one-sided blade. once unsheathed correctly, the blade is already pointed toward an enemy. of course this is only the case if the wielder wants to swing from head-to-toe. if the wielder wants to strike from toe-to-head, he/she would take a stance and position the scabbard up-right before striking straight from the blade's sheath. -
07-26-2017, 01:07 PMKaedanThat is, at once, somewhat correct, and somewhat incorrect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Texa
A katana was never left hanging in the sheath with the edge down. As I mentioned, that would needlessly damage the edge.
The drawing, on the other hand, is mostly correct, but simplistic. Again, the scabbard was tied to the waist in such a way that you could easily rotate in it in the desired direction for the desired draw style.
And in the case of that article, the samurai in FF14 are considered to be the "kimono-wearing" samurai, not the heavily armored ones from the early to mid Edo period (regardless of the fact you can get "armor" looking equipment in game). -
07-26-2017, 01:07 PMTexa
If people are too lazy to check the link
http://i.imgur.com/gzqoMNa.png
With armor and hanging from a cord, blade down. With normal clothing and put in the belt, blade up. -
07-26-2017, 01:09 PMTexaWhere is the source for your information then?Quote:
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07-26-2017, 01:10 PMKaedanRead my reply. That is incorrect.Quote:
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No matter if it was Edo period, heavy armor samurai or later period kimono-wearing samurai, all samurai hung their swords with the blade up.
For drawing, they would twist the scabbard in the desired direction for the desired draw style. -
07-26-2017, 01:11 PMKaedanI live in Japan. I have extensively studied Japanese history with a BA (focus on Edo period). I have a 2nd degree black belt in Iaijutsu, and I own a 300 year old katana.Quote:
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EDIT: Furthermore, the Japanese graphic that article is using is talking about drawing the blade, not how the blade hangs in the scabbard. -
07-26-2017, 01:14 PMTexaBrah I'm not saying you're wrong I'd just genuinely like to read into the what you're talking about on my own since I haven't heard of it before. You don't need to made multiple replies to call me out over the exact same thing :/Quote:
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07-26-2017, 01:18 PMGumbercules
curve upwards for the unsheathing, think when you are unsheathing you actually "twist" scabbard away from your body a bit to fling the blade a bit. You are pretty much using this "technique" to compensate for the extra length the curve itself adds to the blade.
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07-26-2017, 01:19 PMKaedanQuote:
Originally Posted by Texa
You asked me what my source was and I told you. There is not likely a ready-made, easily google-able perfect source to conveniently link for you. That's why actual knowledge is far more accurate than blogs from random people on websites (who don't even represent the graphics they display on their site correctly).
EDIT: I did a quick google search, and there were several forums where knowledgeable people answer questions that can back up my statements. But short of that, you would have to read Japanese history textbooks or get study supplies for kendo or iaido for the most accurate "proof". -
07-26-2017, 01:24 PMTexaThat's kind of a snooty attitude, and I say this as a person who works very hard in my own ways to educate people on things I'm passionate about. If there is not a blog or website that has the information your explaining that details it to your liking you could make your own and share what you know with the entire world. But you don't.Quote:
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07-26-2017, 01:27 PMKaedanI'm sharing with you now. I'm correcting an incorrect notion from a poorly made blog.Quote:
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EDIT: As a point of note, there was a sword worn by Samurai on horseback that was worn with the edge down. Those swords were called "Tachi" (different from katana) and were worn blade down because they couldn't be drawn from horseback if they were edge up because the horse would get in the way. -
07-26-2017, 01:38 PMTexaIt's so dry and brief though. Give me long thoughtful descriptions with dates and small details and the what you really love on the subject. Stop being salty about your opinions on a blog you don't personally and being condescending because someone was wrong before you. I'm not saying that to be insulting, I'm speaking as a person who loves education that when you speak from a place of passion it will outshine everything else on its own.Quote:
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This is getting super off topic though so I'm just going to ignore the thread itself now. Good luck in the future! -
07-26-2017, 01:42 PMAsbelLahntHoly shit, thank you, that makes so much more sense now, and I feel less ignorant!Quote:
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07-26-2017, 01:48 PMSelovaQuote:
Originally Posted by Texa
You asked her a question and she answered it. You don't like the answer they gave, not their problem. If you desire the information so badly you would be out there doing your own research instead of making demands of people to provide you with links to sources that don't exist, unless you are counting uneducated blogs of peoples opinions on the matter as "sources". -
07-26-2017, 01:53 PMIveriad
Well, wikipedia explains it :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katana
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The rise in popularity of katana amongst samurai came about due to the changing nature of close-combat warfare. The quicker draw of the sword was well suited to combat where victory depended heavily on short response times. The katana further facilitated this by being worn thrust through a belt-like sash (obi) with the sharpened edge facing up. Ideally, samurai could draw the sword and strike the enemy in a single motion. Previously, the curved tachi had been worn with the edge of the blade facing down and suspended from a belt.
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Storage and maintenance[edit]
If mishandled in its storage or maintenance, the katana may become irreparably damaged. The blade should be stored horizontally in its sheath, curve down and edge facing upward to maintain the edge.
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07-26-2017, 01:56 PMKaedan
You mean like my first two posts? I think I was rather detailed in my description of why katanas were never worn with the edge down.
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Katanas are always positioned with the curve up, so that the blade edge does not rest on the interior of the scabbard. That would needlessly dull and damage the edge.
As for drawing the katana, there are multiple "correct" ways to do it. The scabbard is grasped and then twisted in the appropriate direction for the appropriate draw.
In the case of FF14 Samurai, they are using Iaijutsu master-type samurai. Meaning they strike in the same motion as they draw the blade. "One Draw, One Cut." For a rather romanticized example, you can watch Ruroni Kenshin, which is the image in which Yoshi-P based samurai off.
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That is, at once, somewhat correct, and somewhat incorrect.
A katana was never left hanging in the sheath with the edge down. As I mentioned, that would needlessly damage the edge.
The drawing, on the other hand, is mostly correct, but simplistic. Again, the scabbard was tied to the waist in such a way that you could easily rotate in it in the desired direction for the desired draw style.
And in the case of that article, the samurai in FF14 are considered to be the "kimono-wearing" samurai, not the heavily armored ones from the early to mid Edo period (regardless of the fact you can get "armor" looking equipment in game).
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As a point of note, there was a sword worn by Samurai on horseback that was worn with the edge down. Those swords were called "Tachi" (different from katana) and were worn blade down because they couldn't be drawn from horseback if they were edge up because the horse would get in the way.
Glad to help. ^_^Quote:
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07-26-2017, 02:04 PMIveriadJust trying to provide source to prove your explanation here.Quote:
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07-26-2017, 02:06 PMKaedanOh, no, no. Sorry. I wasn't responding to you. I was replying to Texa's claim that I wasn't giving any detail.Quote:
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