monk charka proc issue

hey all i main monk been doing countless hours of testing and i came up with the same issue no matter what m6 stats i meld. monk has a issue of procing chakra only on normal crit chance. it does not proc on crit hit rate. The Forbidden Chakra was nerf an not being able to take advantage of crit chance proc is a huge dps loss.

thanks for reading an would appreciate your feedback and opinions on this matter.

It's RNG.

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Can someone translate, because this made no sense to me? It has a "chance" to proc on crit. In 3.0 you only got chakra during movement phases and immune phases. At least you get to use it more now?

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Originally Posted by KaiSunstrider

Can someone translate, because this made no sense to me? It has a "chance" to proc on crit. In 3.0 you only got chakra during movement phases and immune phases. At least you get to use it more now?

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They are saying that having a high crit rate stat is not making FC proc more. It is RNG on top of RNG, you won't see direct correlation but it pretty much is. If your crit rate is 10% and its 50% proc rate on a crit, you're looking at 5% chance of procing a chakra without bootshine or any other crit buffs. Whereas if you your crit rate is 20% (not possible for now) it would be 10% each attack not counting bootshine or crit buffs.

I think that a nice little buff for MNK would be to increase Deep Meditation's proc chance from 50% to 100% while Internal Release is active.

1500+ crit, 2 tanks, 1 samurai and 1 bard. Able to go through internal release + brotherhood and not get a single FC. I hate the RNG at times.

the thing is you have a 50% chance to proc but it only works on a reg crit. direct hit cricts do not proc its at pretty mad dps loss

also bootshine should be criting 100% the time for the rear which would mean more proc but thats not the case it's not a major issue but one the should be address soon.

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Originally Posted by aizan

the thing is you have a 50% chance to proc but it only works on a reg crit. direct hit cricts do not proc its at pretty mad dps loss

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But do we know that for sure? It is RNG so for all we know you've just been really unlucky.

They should just make it 100% chance on every crit, would fix the issue, since most abilities that monks have do crap damage also increasing tornado kick potency to 720 to rival Samurais.

Another idea would be to make Tornado kick an AoE that uses Chakra instead of using those precious lighting stacks.

What? MNK right now is perfect DPS wise and TK isn't the same as midare. 100% crit proc rate would make it overpowered.

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Originally Posted by Windwalker

They should just make it 100% chance on every crit, would fix the issue, since most abilities that monks have do crap damage also increasing tornado kick potency to 720 to rival Samurais.

Another idea would be to make Tornado kick an AoE that uses Chakra instead of using those precious lighting stacks.

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MNK still does high damage. It has low potencies to balance GL, TS, and FoF. And the end result of MNK changes isn't to match SAM. SAM is supposed to hit harder than MNK. SAM should hit harder than every other dps that's not a BLM since they are the only non-utility classes.

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Originally Posted by HoLoFoNo

What? MNK right now is perfect DPS wise and TK isn't the same as midare. 100% crit proc rate would make it overpowered.

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That being said. 100% crit on chakra does seem op but it removes the double rng gate plaguing the unlucky monks like op. Deep Meditation is fundamentally flawed since instead of working on a consistent build, it's a proc that needs to hit 5 times to be effective. Even bard's pitch perfect has a foil to it's RNG with the ephemeral arrow. MNK is far from perfect as a DPS, you can just wade through the bs to get high dps in spite of the contradictory moves and heavy luck dependent chakra build.

i have to agree monk is kinds of broken atm . bootshine should be 100% crit from the from the rear but since they added Direct crit kind og mess up bootsine 100% crit from thrt the rear

btw appreciate you guys opinions

Blacktestament7 and Aizan have the right idea, though SE could go either way, 100% on pure critical hit weaponskills or 50% on Critical Hit and Critical direct hit weaponskills. That show leniency on either kind of procs. Tbh I seen alot of ciritcal direct hits so this change make sense

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Originally Posted by Scheath666

Blacktestament7 and Aizan have the right idea, though SE could go either way, 100% on pure critical hit weaponskills or 50% on Critical Hit and Critical direct hit weaponskills. That show leniency on either kind of procs. Tbh I seen alot of ciritcal direct hits so this change make sense

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They do proc with !!! hits. It is still 50% though.

I've seen chakras proc on direct crits from bootshines, so yes they can proc on any direct crit, its still fairly low rng though. The only problem I have with chakras is in fact the rng added to the job. Monk's big catch in any raid role was being the "consistent and sustained dps" because there was never any rng involved other than getting crits, now we have this rng added to our openers, especially with brotherhood's effect (a problem being that you don't even get your own 5% damage buff) being entirely reliant on weaponskills, which overall can dramatically lower a monk's dps with a poor party composition, basically making pugging for any monk a nightmare most of the time. Brotherhood also being almost completely useless in any 4-man situation and entirely useless when solo. This makes any dummy training or parsing extremely unreliable, even for stone sky sea.

I've seen several times when opening into an encounter with a weaponskill-heavy party, still not getting more than 2 or 3 chakras off of the party during brotherhood's duration. Or otherwise being lucky and getting frequent chakra procs off your party, you can get 3 extra forbidden chakras off at maximum within riddle of fire's duration. Why only 3? Because lo and behold forbidden chakra actually has a cooldown of 5 seconds, meaning if you DO actually get good RNG brotherhood procs off your party, you're still waiting to use the skill, likely wasting time and procs from brotherhood while you're stuck at 5 stacks waiting to use forbidden chakra again. Its a little broken and the difference between using that 250 forbidden chakra either 1 or 4 times in an opener being completely out of the monk's control is the opposite of consistent, the job's new traits and skills weren't thought over very well and a fix to make chakra building consistent is all I'd like to see.