Please add PotD 100+ to DF.

Yup, this thread and request has been done before by other, thanks to it not being added yet I thought I'd take my turn to ask.

No reason not to.

They made it so you have to do it with the same people every time, so if you had to DF it you'd be stuck with them. I don't trust random people to cooperate well at all with how the DF/PF has been as of late. Even more so with some of the rewards from Palace floors 150 and lower

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Originally Posted by Bacent

They made it so you have to do it with the same people every time, so if you had to DF it you'd be stuck with them. I don't trust random people to cooperate well at all with how the DF/PF has been as of late. Even more so with some of the rewards from Palace floors 150 and lower

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I'm sure a team of professional developers can make it so you wouldn't have to be stuck with them, and make it DF ready.

If someone wishes to take the risk of dealing with random DF people, then they should be allowed to. Simply forcing people to make a pre-made group to trudge through 51 and above - which is inconvenient and bothersome thanks to a plethora of reasons - because they are worried people might be "meh" isn't good... at all. People who want to stick to their familiar groups can still do so, and those who would rather just tap a button and be matched - for whatever reason; group aren't all on, just want to get in fast with no setup, etc - will have that option.

I just wish they'd ditch the 50-100 part of it for the pre-mades, it's such a waste of time.

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Originally Posted by Bacent

They made it so you have to do it with the same people every time, so if you had to DF it you'd be stuck with them. I don't trust random people to cooperate well at all with how the DF/PF has been as of late. Even more so with some of the rewards from Palace floors 150 and lower

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PotD is easier than any current Extreme Primal or Savage raid, which are allowed to do with random people in PF/Raid Finder, so that argument is invalid.

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Originally Posted by AstralKaos

Yup, this thread and request has been done before by other, thanks to it not being added yet I thought I'd take my turn to ask.

No reason not to.

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Floors 101-150 aren't too bad. However...I don't really think Floors 151+ are designed for PUGs. Not only can you not go with a comp like 1 healer/3 DPS, 3 healers/1 DPS, all DPS, etc. because things just hit way too hard (you NEED a tank to take those hits), you NEED certain pomanders in order to safely progress to even the boss floor if you get dealt a crappy hand (try getting Gloom, No Items, and Auto-Heal Disabled all on the same floor--it does happen in the 190s frequently). Not to mention every other mob on those floors can and will one-shot you. 151+ takes a coordination that PUGs just don't have, and considering the speed-run mentality of the people that do Floor 1-100, that mentality would not go over well with 151+. One mistake due to rushing can lead to a wipe.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

Floors 101-150 aren't too bad. However...I don't really think Floors 151+ are designed for PUGs. Not only can you not go with a comp like 1 healer/3 DPS, 3 healers/1 DPS, all DPS, etc. because things just hit way too hard (you NEED a tank to take those hits), you NEED certain pomanders in order to safely progress to even the boss floor if you get dealt a crappy hand (try getting Gloom, No Items, and Auto-Heal Disabled all on the same floor--it does happen in the 190s frequently). Not to mention every other mob on those floors can and will one-shot you. 151+ takes a coordination that PUGs just don't have, and considering the speed-run mentality of the people that do Floor 1-100, that mentality would not go over well with 151+. One mistake due to rushing can lead to a wipe.

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This, got no abilities, no items, heal block and gloom on 198.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

Floors 101-150 aren't too bad. However...I don't really think Floors 151+ are designed for PUGs. Not only ca

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Pugs just cleared the new raid teir day one give people more options half of the game for challenge is dead with unsync. This is still somewhat relevant let people decide if they want to do df or not. I know I would randoms is whom I mostly play with.

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

Pugs just cleared the new raid teir day one give people more options half of the game for challenge is dead with unsync. This is still somewhat relevant let people decide if they want to do df or not. I know I would randoms is whom I mostly play with.

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How is the challenge that Omega Savage is relevant to the challenge that PotD represents? How does "Oh, PUGs can clear Omega Savage!" imply that PUGs can clear PotD?
The two of them offer quite different challenges - PotD asks you to be very aware of your surrondings and react to "new" situations while raids require you to basically only follow a certain script. PotD is "RNG", raids are a script.

I voiced my opinion on this matter already and the clear issue here is: Part of the PotD-challenge is the "one life"-mechanic. We can talk about wether or not you personally like that, but there are a bunch of people who do (just take a look at how we've got several games that offer a "one life"-option as hardcore-challenge) - so it is a valid mechanic. And at least for me it adds to the thrill of PotD that you really have to be on your toes and pay attention to whats happening. That you cant just storm in, pull a bunch of mobs and if you die it doesnt matter.
That mechanic would need to go for DF - not so much because of "you need a fixed party to enter", thats indeed something that can/could vanish (seeing how we can progress through the rest of PotD with Df already). But that core-element wouldnt work anymore because people will cry for nerfs and complain as soon as they have their safefile ruined by someone in DF - either intentionally or by mistake, doesnt matter.
The later floors also dont really allow for a random party-composition anymore - at least not for one you get from the DF (by that I mean: 4 skilled DPS who are carefully working together might be able to run PotD with success - but how often is that going to happen in DF? Lets be real here)

So in order to have this content work in DF the following stuff would have to happen:
- one-life-mechanic as to go
- later floors probably have to be adjusted to be easier - looking at you chimeras, and at you, you weird gorillas!
- queueing with tank/heal/2dps needs to happen

...aaaand bäm, you've nerfed the content and we have one challenge less in the game.
Which is my reason not to put it into DF - preserving a challenge for people who'd like to put the effort into something like that. DF content is always easier than fixed-group-content because DF content has to be doable for everyone, so it sort of has to be dumb down for the healer whos currently playing on a toaster somewhere in siberia, not speaking a word of english and watching netflix on the other screen.
I dont want that to happen to PotD. Now that we've got more incentive to try to get up to 200 alone I can only urge everyone: If you want to play the content take on the challenge that it is because its meant to be one. Go in alone and prove that you've got it in you! Or go in with one or two friends.
Make it a challenge - not DF-content.

Some of the trash mobs 150+ have dps check mechanics, 2 second donut one shot AOEs and start hitting really hard even on a tank.

Flood Dragons would be a pug nightmare, if you have a slow cleansing healer you are going to have problems. (It puts a frostbite that kills a dps in a couple ticks if it isn't removed immediately, the initial damage brings them down to half hp, and it's a puddle AOE and can hit more than one person at once.)

If you have a good interrupt/stunner it makes it so much easier to deal with the trash in there. Honestly the trash is harder than the actual bosses. You have to be very careful once you hit 180 as there are so many ways it can screw up and just end your run.

I haven't been in there since clearing so I don't know if they nerfed any of the trash since then. RDM would make it easier I suppose and there are sustaining pots now.

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Alternatively: Keep it a challenge and allow people to queue for it via DF, like all the other floors should THEY choose to; meanwhile you lose nothing and can still go in with a pre-made and be coordinated - all whilst others that either can't get a pre-made, haven't got their usual group on, want to get a feel for it (practice). etc etc can access it.

You literally lose nothing.

I would say the difficulty only really ramps up ~170ish. After near wiping there my party was suddenly like "shit did shit just get real?" Was fun navigating the dungeon and being strategic about mob pulling-- "snipe harambe over here lets kill him before he starts spamming his debuff. We can kill him before the patrol arrives!" But a luring trap got us on floor 189 ish. So close and nothing a pug could replicate or survive without heavy nerfs.