Pls let me know when you wish fix NIN job

I don\\'t know about you guys, but I\\'m getting really frustrated with how much NIN is being sidelined. So much so that after the release of SB the job lost several of its key features (both in its DoT skills and in the variety / power of combos).
Even though it\\'s not my favorite job, for me, it\\'s still one of the ones I like the most, both in the history of the job and in the gameplay. I believe in his potential and want to preserve it and improve it if possible.
Plus some skills have been removed, some have been weakened, others have a very small success rate (I quote the MUG skill, for example).
If you guys have something to say about it to help, I would appreciate it very much.

Ninja is one of the best jobs in the game right now. Moderate to high damage, and highly sought after utility.

What do you feel it is broken about it - specifically (with more detail) compared to what we got out of the 4.0 expansion so far?

What I consider to be the key features of NIN is Trick Attack, Shadewalker, and Smokescreen - all of which had zero changes when Stormblood hit - other than Trick Attack now being acquired at level 18 instead of 50 (which is amazing for lower level roulette). The fact that they still put up great numbers is icing.

My suggestion is to wait until you've played Ninja at level 70. I haven't myself, but I imagine you can't get the entire feel for a job until you've played it at max level.

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Originally Posted by Sensyon

Ninja is one of the best jobs in the game right now. Moderate to high damage, and highly sought after utility.

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^^^This. Idk what you expect ninja to be but it's a seamless job with good damage and the best overall utility in the game, that's why it's part of the meta

God, everyone thinks their job is being sidelined. In reality the only job being sidelined egregiously right now is MCH. Every other job's damage is really good with <10% difference between.

Uh, Ninja has not been sidelined at all. That 10% trick attack is still OP af, it's still got the most utility, it still pulls good dps.

There are other jobs that got literally trashed - ninja is not one of them I'm sorry.

This cant be a serious post ... It just cant be.

As a lvl 70 ninja i will say this:
YES, the class is slightly sidelined in the aspect that im not seeing as many ninjas as i use to
YES, the removal of a few skills hurt my soul as it feels like the class was streamlined for a little less of the skill (old rotations use to be almost 6+ lines of combos now its at like 3.5. I miss my huge rotations)
HOWEVER, by lvl 70 this class is on top. the skill ceiling was raised and the dmg output was increased. i hate to say it SE is trying to make this class more popular so if this isnt a troll post....you need to re asses your skill

NIN is LITERALLY the best DPS class right now. Even after its nerf. DRG players are now BRD bitches, SMNs are now Yoshida's bitch and MCH is just a bitch.

Terrible classes right now 're = smn/mch/mnk.. other classes seem to be fine as it is for now.

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Originally Posted by Jilliebeans

Terrible classes right now 're = smn/mch/mnk.. other classes seem to be fine as it is for now.

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MNK is 2nd best DPS, put down the crack pipe.

After just recently leveling to 70 on ninja I can say it's in a good place.
Unlike most jobs it has passive increased movement still
It's single target and aoe are powerful.
It offers the easiest method of keeping up a sustained ability, allowing for good damage at the same time.
This expansion offered it more ninjutsu abilities which helps keep it varying from other melee.
And backwards compatibility (60-) is well maintained, allowing for it to play rather similar from start to finish.
The dot change was to allow for less work and focus on keeping up dots while helping focus more on steady dps. Yes its dps seems in lower numbers but that is because it hits faster then others.

It received a small nerf on one ability because it was being used to ignore other rotations

in 3.0 NIN was the lowest melee dps and was still meta because of TA. Now they are a competative dps and still have unnerfed TA. What more can you ask for?

What exactly were other ninjas doing with Gust Slash that was against the dev design? I don't care about the nerf to it. I'm just genuinely curious as to how it was being used since all their combos come off of Gust Slash.

I think the devs didn't optimise ninki usage properly so players got more dps than they expected. Gust slash is NINs main potency but also a move that doesn't have much impact or feeling so it doesn't feel like a nerf but if you have a parser you will probably see the results.

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Originally Posted by whiteblade89

What exactly were other ninjas doing with Gust Slash that was against the dev design? I don't care about the nerf to it. I'm just genuinely curious as to how it was being used since all their combos come off of Gust Slash.

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From what I gathered after trying while leveling was that there was a potential to do more damage just ignoring rotations and spamming the ability when doing solo damage. Considering the bonus damage from positional are not available.
It was not much and I figured the benefit of doing the rotations were better anyway but that was all I could gather

Ummm, this is crazy talk.

Ninja was improved in every way. Applying Slashing debuff is no longer a DPS loss and we gained enough to make me not miss mutilate at all. Love the new Duality, DwD, and Ninki skills. We have everything we had before and more, though I will say I think the skill floor and ceiling are a little higher on the class now.

As much as I enjoyed Samurai (was my first DPS I got to 70) when I went back to Ninja to get it to 70 I found myself in a crisis. Ninja was my alt class (got anima weapons, did 24-man content) in 3.xx and I had thought that would be Samurai in 4.xx but now I'm torn and doubt I will have enough play time to gear 3 classes in a patch cycle.

Compared to my main class (DRK) that WAS gutted by SB, I can't see anyone thinking that about Ninja. Good riddance to mutilate, we got so much in return.

For me Ninja has only improved and it was already nice in 3.0. They've streamlined the job a lot (the ninjutsu reset on hide was a big changer for me already). On top of that they're got a resource gauge that fills fairly quickly and allows some nice oGCD skills to be used every 25'ish seconds further adding to the sense of streamlining. To me the job is an incredibly fast-paced one now, even faster than before, and their dmg output has been greatly amplified to the point they're in the top.

Honestly, I find NIN most definitely is not being sidelined. At all.

Edit: Falar does a good job explaining how they improved NIN, and honestly they haven't lost much besides a DoT and a seperate slashing debuff. You can spend more time doing the higher dmg combo now (Aeolian Edge). Having to delay your higher impact skills to reapply a mandatory uninspired DoT wasn't exactly the height of design for me, so I'm glad they got rid of Mutilate on NIN.

I actually enjoy the job even at level 61. xD

I wanted to try RDM and SAM out so they were my first DPS jobs to 70. Working on AST currently so I have all positions filled if I need to switch for whatever reason, but I am excited to take NIN to 70. Loved it in Heavensward, and with some of the changes its had, I know I am gonna love it even more as I level it up. ^^

I can't wait!

As others have said already, yeah NIN is in a very strong place right now. Far from being sidelined, it's one of the most desired DPS to have along! NIN retains its amazing utility via Shadewalker/Smokescreen and Trick Attack, and its raw dps output is fairly high as well. The rotation is so much smoother now than it was in 3.0, with the combo changes. Now that NIN can apply slashing debuff naturally in its rotation (with no dps loss) it frees up parties to use any combination of tanks they please, and also allows SAM to start with a stronger opener.

As for Mug, are you referring to the item-drop effect? That's mostly for flavor, since truly valuable items in FFXIV mostly drop from chests, or at such low rates that a slight boost is negligible (if it even applies at all in instances). The true value of Mug now is how it builds 30 Ninki gauge, which lets us use powerful 'finishers' quicker. If looking to farm items, you'd definitely be better served killing things faster so you can have more drop chances, so I'd recommend using Mug on cooldown instead of saving it for a last hit attempt.

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Originally Posted by HoLoFoNo

NIN is LITERALLY the best DPS class right now. Even after its nerf. DRG players are now BRD bitches, SMNs are now Yoshida's bitch and MCH is just a bitch.

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You're a natural poet, 10/10

Just another NIN input.
Yep, they looked lack luster when their GCDs got reduced to only 5 (of which 4 are used the 90% of the time), but the amount of oGCDs is astounding.
By no means a boring class and I wouldn't call it being sidelined, just that it is on such a perfect spot right now that there is barely nothing to do (aside from the TCJ clunkyness).

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Originally Posted by Chrallmal

What do you feel it is broken about it - specifically (with more detail) compared to what we got out of the 4.0 expansion so far?

What I consider to be the key features of NIN is Trick Attack, Shadewalker, and Smokescreen - all of which had zero changes when Stormblood hit - other than Trick Attack now being acquired at level 18 instead of 50 (which is amazing for lower level roulette). The fact that they still put up great numbers is icing.

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I'm mot the op but in my opinion the only thing broken about ninja is ten chi Jin. It's so ridiculously clunky. Even on sub 150 latency.

Really hoping they do something about that. Change the way it works or something to male it more fluid and less clunkettyclunk

lmao what is this topic even? This is why SE doesn't listen to the community at times. NIN literally complaining.

What? If anything Ninja is overtuned currently. It pushes out extremely high DPS and provides the best utility in the game.

Só, this isnt a troll post. Atm Im not at the max lvl (at 61 actually) and yes, like you, I miss my rotations.
I still need to learn more about the other skills, but I felt the loss I was most used to. I consider myself a layman in the matter of damage calculations and other more technical things. No more, I just wish the mug skill were more effective.

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Originally Posted by Nora_of_Mira

My suggestion is to wait until you've played Ninja at level 70. I haven't myself, but I imagine you can't get the entire feel for a job until you've played it at max level.

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Thanks Nora
I'm looking forward to level 70.Until then, I'll try to get used to the absence of some skills and learn from the new ones.

Mug gives u 30 ninki so pretty useful you get the enhanced version at lvl 66. Nin also got a lot of qol changes like being able to hide to reset mudras for boss fights no more 25 sec wait times. Dream within a Dream got a dmg buff and can crit now so nin doing pretty well.

NIN by far suffered the least in the transition to SB. Which is good, because as my main I would be uninstalling if they messed it up like DRK. It does take some getting used to with the simpler rotations, but at least its still playable in under 60 content, and shines at 70.

I'm not going to say anymore, because I worry if we say too many nice things about X skill SE will grab their nerf hammer.

We lost B4B and Invigorate? Other than that I'm with everyone and have no idea what you're on about.

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Originally Posted by Machka

As for Mug, are you referring to the item-drop effect? That's mostly for flavor, since truly valuable items in FFXIV mostly drop from chests, or at such low rates that a slight boost is negligible (if it even applies at all in instances). The true value of Mug now is how it builds 30 Ninki gauge, which lets us use powerful 'finishers' quicker. If looking to farm items, you'd definitely be better served killing things faster so you can have more drop chances, so I'd recommend using Mug on cooldown instead of saving it for a last hit attempt.

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Thanks Machka. I understand your point of view and thank you for how enlightening it was. About the mug, yes it is about the drop rate, but what I think could be an improvement (besides the increase of the drop rate) would be the variety or even the possibility of obtaining rare items (as happens in other FF's ). I think that would be a good idea. :)

I entered the post wondering what were your arguments, I see you have 0 upvotes and the other posts actually seeing how good NIN is have all the upvotes, lol.
I don't see nothing wrong with NIN either, as an ex-main MCH, you even have the best of their ability which is Trick Attack and its even stronger; NIN is fun and fancy looking, deals pretty decent DPS for the huge utilities but again, most important of all it is FUN and fancy looking, what else could you possibly want? Mug works far better than steal in some ff games anyway lol