Summoner needs a Raise, a Verraise, and a resurrection.

Quick disclaimer. I know Summoner has a raise ability. The title is a joke that Summoner is so dead that it needs to be revived three times at this point.

https://www.fflogs.com/statistics/15...036&dataset=60

With Machinist getting several potencies increased, (Some of them where doubled in potency!) it is very likely Summoner will be the weakest dps, in the entire game with no significant Utility to make up for it.

With Black Mage getting buffed, and Summoner getting no adjustment to their dps or utility it might as well be 6 Feet under the ground.

Yes... Now drg and mch both buffed is just rip smn

Ahhh MCH didn't get some huge buff...it's still easily the weakest job

That would not fix a thing, you would need an healer lb3 too.

You should understand one simple thing - potency, cd etc. changes are easy and don't eat resources. But summoner needs IMPLEMENTATION of a new FUNCTION like egi-glamours. This on the other hand is very resource requiring task, cause u need to write new code, debug etc. That means WHOLE smn budget was spent on bahamut size command for 4.1+.
Just play RDM in a meantime like a good boys

Funny how it's the same people, complaining about the same things, in different threads.

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Ahhh MCH didn't get some huge buff...it's still easily the weakest job

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I don't know about that. Mch got a cooldown duration halved, 3% damage increase, and a 400 potency attack turned into 800.

Summoner dps is at 3,048 with Machinist at 3,037.

With Hot Shot increasing Machinist dps by 3% (was 5% now is 8%) Im pretty sure a 3% increase to 3k dps would be over the 11 dps needed to overtake summoner.

Velon Your point?

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Originally Posted by Furrythefireman

Velon Your point?

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My point is that swarming the forums with the same complains won't help. Lets keep it constructive and on one thread, not 10.

Edit: A few threads about SMN issues.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...harder-to-play
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...Glaring-Issues
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...addressed-ASAP

there is a reason why this is a "community" everyone has a right to complain or say whatever on their mind lol, beside the more thread = the more complaint = the more they have to reconsider and make things right for the game.

Being a community doesn't mean we have to spam the forums with the same things. It would be way easier for the devs and anyone else interested, if the complaints/suggestions were in a single thread. Having multiple threads won't increase the chances of having the desired change.

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Being a community doesn't mean we have to spam the forums with the same things. It would be way easier for the devs and anyone else interested, if the complaints/suggestions were in a single thread. Having multiple threads won't increase the chances of having the desired change.

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Well after 4.05 changes it became OBVIOUS we did not complain enough.
If devs think it'll be easier for them to have one thread they should tell it to us.

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Originally Posted by Angry_Evil

Well after 4.05 changes it became OBVIOUS we did not complain enough.
If devs think it'll be easier for them to have one thread they should tell it to us.

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Considering the amount of changes we've seen based on community feedback, i am pretty sure they listen. The fact that SMN still remains "low" means that they either need more time to balance it or they have other plans for the class.

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Originally Posted by Angry_Evil

You should understand one simple thing - potency, cd etc. changes are easy and don't eat resources. But summoner needs IMPLEMENTATION of a new FUNCTION like egi-glamours. This on the other hand is very resource requiring task, cause u need to write new code, debug etc.

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Considering the amount of changes we've seen based on community feedback, i am pretty sure they listen. The fact that SMN still remains "low" means that they either need more time to balance it or they have other plans for the class.

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^ this - aether adjustment just seems the only step they could "hotfix fast" next step would be looking at the potecy... smn atm is like windows os... just hot fixing stuff over stuff which should be completely revamped... but yeah to expensive and no priority like it seems.

Velon_ so your point is what???? Last I checked this is the place to do it right??? We're complaining for a reason right???? If you don't like the complaining don't get on forums right????? JS

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Velon_ so your point is what???? Last I checked this is the place to do it right??? We're complaining for a reason right???? If you don't like the complaining don't get on forums right????? JS

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His point is that we don't need to spam the forums with 30,000 threads of the same topic when 1 would suffice.

Like your use of "????". One "?" will do.

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Considering the amount of changes we've seen based on community feedback, i am pretty sure they listen. The fact that SMN still remains "low" means that they either need more time to balance it or they have other plans for the class.

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Problem is most players cry about sustain, physic and titan egi that not really improve our raiding performance in any way.

Although im raiding as well - my opinion about the sustain/titan question is as worth as our-raidrole. not everybody is in end content nor in primal farms - being way more flexible in solo content than any other cls accept healers were part of our identity as well. without sustain and the prober use of titan it became just a questionable thing not just in performance but in lore as well o.o

So Razard your point is what???????????????????? The last time I checked the only way to be heard is to continuously flood the forum so they can't miss it right???????????????????? Flooding the forum with 30,000 threads mean it won't get lost in other threads right??????????????????????????????? JS

Neela I think people forget about solo play, I mean everyone wants to be the master gamer when majority of us want to do our own thing. Idc about raids idc extremes I like soloing and doing missions. But since titan can't stay alive and that's our only survivability I was forced to change classes. While I could've remained as a summoner, running around in circles just to stay alive isn't fun.

Never understood the self-proclaimed forum police that I've seen for almost 20 years now. Making new threads is often better than posting in unmoderated, disorganized "mega threads" where a lot of the information becomes outdated or glossed over just based on the flow of the thread.

Let people post their threads. Scroll on by if the threads bother you. It doesn't even make sense to say that this makes it hard for the developers to see the problems. As someone whose job involves online research to assist veterans, I can tell you that it's more useful to me to see an issue brought up multiple times across many sources rather than combing through one large, disorganized source. The developers will be fine. Let people vent in however many threads they want and let the paid moderators do their jobs.

Summoner just needs competent developers that aren't dismissive of its issues.

That might help.