Lock 8 ff14 developers in a room with 8 PCs with the game loaded with 2 WAR, 2 SCH, and 2 SMN, 1 MCH, and 1 MNK. Now, they have either have to beat extreme pools with minimum ilvl or start development on a hotfix in order to win freedom lol.
If they can beat ex susano game is working as intended.
How to tune underpowered classes
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07-14-2017, 02:13 PMHitsuzenHow to tune underpowered classes
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07-14-2017, 02:15 PMGreedalox
(Might want a harder challenge than Susano for this lol)
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07-14-2017, 02:15 PMShurrikhanAnd more than one sample encounter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greedalox
EDIT: It may be better to see how far under minimum item level an "optimal" composition can sink before becoming unable to clear it, and then to try to clear at the same item level with "undertuned" compositions. Either way, if serious, this kind of hotfixing would likely cause more homogeneity than it would improve balance. -
07-14-2017, 02:24 PMVenoshockthey'll still be able to clear it, all those classes are viable, they just suck ass compared to their counterparts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hitsuzen
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07-14-2017, 02:26 PMVorxMonk has some good points, but more or less i agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Venoshock
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07-14-2017, 02:27 PMSylvina
OK Warriors are not underpowered and neither are summoners, although summoners still need sustain back so they can solo well again with titan san.
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07-14-2017, 02:27 PMLunarEmerald
Have a closed beta for the new expansions so people who actually know how the game works (unlike the developers) can provide feedback before the game goes live.
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07-14-2017, 02:30 PMVorxThey didn't listen to everyone when they tried this before it was released on PS3 why would they listen now?Quote:
Originally Posted by LunarEmerald
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07-14-2017, 02:32 PMLunarEmeraldJobs went through a lot of changes throughout the beta.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vorx
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07-14-2017, 03:06 PMVorxyes, but we also told them many, many, other things that they never even considered. For example: dual weapon types. (at the time) Gld: sword and shirl/ one handed axe and shield, Lancers: dual sided spears/spears, Conjurer book/crystal (like the RDM one), Pugilist fists/combat boots.Quote:
Originally Posted by LunarEmerald
Never even considered it despite being wildly popular idea at the time. -
07-14-2017, 03:17 PMZumi
Summoners are 2nd best dps in the game behind sam according to people who tested on training dummies. Also warrior has really high OT dps when in deliverance the best of any tank.
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07-14-2017, 03:20 PMLunarEmeraldThat's not about balance adjustment. A beta is to adjust and fix problems players discover, not add completely new features.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vorx
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07-14-2017, 10:56 PMThandronen
At the very least, take one SMN out of that equation and add in a Dragoon...
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07-15-2017, 03:20 AMCapricaLangley
Lol Monk underpowered? Glad the devs don't listen to community suggestions
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07-15-2017, 03:26 AMTsumdere> On training dummies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zumi
SMNs hover between last place DPS and 6th place DPS in actual fights. They are the lowest of the casters. -
07-15-2017, 03:41 AMAirgetThat's the issue though, on training dummies. a Training dummy won't suddenly become untargetable and mess up with the flow SMN is trying to setup. I'd say if you wanted to get the real feel of a SMN rotation you should have a friend /random every 30 seconds and if they hit an even number you can't act for 10 seconds. Meaning that if you went into Trance and 5 seconds in your friend rolls a 422, now you can't act for 10 seconds and you'll quickly see the issue with SMN.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zumi
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07-15-2017, 04:17 AMMikhaillA better example with his is:Quote:
Originally Posted by Venoshock
PLD v WAR/DRK.
RDM v BLM/SMN.
MCH v BRD.
AST/WHM v SCH.
Now let them figure out which one sucks the more
ass to the counterparts. -
07-15-2017, 05:15 AMVrankyl
As someone who has SMN at 70 it is just painful. The class is extremely punishing, and it requires a 100% accurate knowledge of the fight to even hope to do good. The stars have to actually align in a real fight for most SMNs to put out anywhere near training dummy level dps. So many things can go wrong in an actual fight and the set up time to get the burst is just insane. I'd rather suffer the current SCH state than deal with that mess.
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07-15-2017, 05:25 AMSubucnimorning
That comp could easily 1 shot Susano EX, you should have waited for savage to come out and then try this argument with one of the harder savage raids
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07-15-2017, 05:58 AMLaerune
Scholar and Fairies could use some love. I am leveling all 3 healers and when the group is speedrunning, I noticed some differences.
- As an AST, I can buff the party, heal with ease, zero MP issue and do DPS
- As an WHM, I can heal the party with ease, zero MP issue and do alot of DPS, alot.
- As an SCH: I can heal the party with ease, but it depends on how big the pull is, more then 2 groups and I start to have MP issues. Aside from Shadow Flare and the dots + Bane, there is no other way for me to do AoE damage. My fairy heals for very low and my shield skills have cast time and are worse then the AST one.
Leveling all 3 healers side by side, made me see that SE f*cked up with Scholar and I truly hope they change something.