Geomancer Idea

Here's a fun little idea I thought of while at work one day: Geomancer healing. So, you know how Arcanist splits into Scholar or Summoner? What if Conjuror split into either White Mage or Geomancer? Once you obtain the Soul of the Geomancer, some of your Conjuror abilities would be infused with special properties. Some of the ideas I came up with were this:

Disclaimer: Potencies may not be balanced, nor did I include recast times because I am not sure what would be too over-the-top. I'm attempting not to make the class too powerful, while still being competitive. It won't have the healing arsenal of White Mage, nor the Mitigation of a Scholar. Its buffs will be comparable to Astrologian while not making them obsolete.

Cure I > Water I - Restores Target's HP. Potency 300. Additional Effect: Applies a heal over time for 6 seconds. (The heal would tick each second rather than every 2/3 seconds.) Regen Potency: 70.

Cure II > Water II - Restores Target's HP. Potency 500. Additional Effect: Applies a heal over time for 6 seconds. (The heal would tick each second rather than every 2/3 seconds.) Regen Potency: 70.

Medica I > Tidal I - Restores own HP and HP of nearby party members. Potency: 300.

Medica II > Tidal II - Restores own HP and HP of nearby party members over 6 seconds. Potency: 150. (The heal would tick each second rather than every 2/3 seconds).

All of the abilities would change into more geologic- type abilites.

Stone would remain the same.

Aero I, II > Singe I, II - Deals Fire damage with a potency of 50, lasts 18 seconds. Additional Effect of Singe II: Has a chance to spread to nearby targets each time the enemy is struck with Stone. Igneous will always spread Singe.

Some of their utility would be:

Quake - Target an ally and place a quake on them. For the next 10 seconds, all enemies around the target will take unaspected 100 potency damage. All emnity generated from Quake is transferred to the target.

Eolian - For the next 15 seconds, all allies within x yalms can cast while moving.

Eruption - For the next 30 seconds, Stone I, II, III, IV become Igneous. Striking the target for 50% additional damage, leaving behind Magma. Magma - A damage over time effect for 10 seconds. When Magma expires, the target bursts into flames dealing 500 potency damage.

Submerge - Place a buff on the target for 20 seconds. If the target takes a fatal blow while under the effect of Submerge, they're placed in a bubble for 4 seconds. If the target isn't above 1 HP after bubble wears off, the target dies.

Germination - Increases the healing magic potency of all yourself and all party members by 50% for 10 seconds. Effect does not stack with Largesse.

Rock Armor - Infuse a targeted ally with Rock Armor, reducing all damage taken by 20% for 15 seconds. Effect does not stack with Bole.

Magma Armor - Infuse a targeted ally with Magma Armor, increasing all damage dealt by 20% for 15 seconds. Effect does not stack with Balance.

Water Armor - Infuse a targeted ally with Water Armor, increasing healing received by 20% for 15 seconds.

Wind Armor - Infuse a targeted ally with Wind Armor, increasing the passive regeneration of MP and TP. Refresh Potency: 100.

Only one armor ability may be active at a time. This would prevent the class from using all four armors at once each time they're off CD.

I know in the FF lore, Geomancers use bells as weapons, but if their going to use a bell, perhaps it can be atop a staff (think feudal japan monks) or scepter of sorts. I think having a bell just sounds silly for an elementalist personally. I'd rather a hammer/mace.

It's a neat idea, clearly not perfect. The direction I want to go with this is more of an on-demand buff/damage class, rather than mega-throughput.

Their healing abilities can be water element, defensives can be rock elements, damage can be magmatic, and their buffs can be more air oriented. This accounts for the Hydrosphere, Atmosphere, and Geosphere, and Biosphere.

Thoughts?

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Originally Posted by Novak_04

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The idea behind what you wrote sound pretty fun, potency seems a bit off here or there but the concept is cool.

That being said, I don't think they would do GEO simply because it is pretty much the same lore as CNJ/WHM. They shot them selves in the foot making the CNJ/WHM SO in tune with the elements.

Slight spoilers, but according to the Astrologian Questline, Geomancers rely on the powers of Earth, Wind, and Water. Astrologians and Geomancers are supposed to compliment each other. Astrologians read the stars for the future, and act mostly as observers or participants. Geomancers use the elements around them to predict the future and play an active role in whether or not it comes to be. The Geomancer NPC also takes a LONG time to perform his rituals.

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Originally Posted by Maku

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Given that the only iteration we've seen of GEO seems far more similar to an Exorcist class, that may be why, but then, since when has an NPC accurately described a jobs function in game? I believe when we first saw whats-her-face using a magical rapier (basically revealing Red Mage) she was still using the PLD moveset.

Whatever the new healer becomes, I just want it to play sufficiently different from the existing jobs.

It is unlikely for the new job to run off an existing class. Classes, being a remnant of the failed 1.0 launch, are slated to be phased out either in the 5.0 or 6.0 expansions (we are currently on 4.0). Yoshi-P has also voiced that while he thinks SCH was a success, linking it to the ACN and SMN was a mistake. That said, this was a couple years ago, so he might have changed his mind. That said, we might see similar abilities, such as how RDM has verfire and verstone, which are comparable to BLM and WHM's versions of hte spell.

I don't understand why people want/think GEO would be a healer if it was added. It has only ever been a support once, and it had no healing, every other iteration has been full damage with status effects.

Your suggestions are also really...

You HoT would NEVER work with the system in place, and Water I is a 720 potency heal? Seems legit.

And don;t even get me started on "Tidal II".

Just as an example:
Quake - Target an ally and place a quake on them. For the next 10 seconds, all enemies around the target will take unaspected 100 potency damage. All emnity generated from Quake is transferred to the target.

Eolian - For the next 15 seconds, all allies within x yalms can cast while moving.

Eruption - For the next 30 seconds, Stone I, II, III, IV become Igneous. Striking the target for 50% additional damage, leaving behind Magma. Magma - A damage over time effect for 10 seconds. When Magma expires, the target bursts into flames dealing 500 potency damage. (I don't... How at all is this even close to being even half balanced)

Germination - Increases the healing magic potency of all yourself and all party members by 50% for 10 seconds. Effect does not stack with Largesse.

Rock Armor - Infuse a targeted ally with Rock Armor, reducing all damage taken by 20% for 15 seconds. Effect does not stack with Bole.

Magma Armor - Infuse a targeted ally with Magma Armor, increasing all damage dealt by 20% for 15 seconds. Effect does not stack with Balance.

Water Armor - Infuse a targeted ally with Water Armor, increasing healing received by 20% for 15 seconds.

This is why most players should never have a say in balance. Y'all suck at it.

I get you want to share you concept with others but... at least tweak it a little before making your suggestions? I mean come on, this job would be so OP it would make AST shake in its boots.

Isn't this just another WHM clone with AST card buffs on demand instead of having the RNG draw? Preferably a new healer shouldn't just replicate WHM's base playstyle like AST did and try to go its own way, as all healer classes shouldn't try to play the exact same.

I like the idea of Submerge, though. That's an interesting mechanic.

The only GEO I wanna see is this one right here, It's different, from any current job we have. And I will plug it until I see it announced, lol. Also It's not updated for level 70 yet, it still have the level 60 pacing, Haven't found the time to tweak it just yet.

GEOMANCER TANK EMBRACE IT!!!!!

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Originally Posted by VanilleFang

I get you want to share you concept with others but... at least tweak it a little before making your suggestions? I mean come on, this job would be so OP it would make AST shake in its boots.

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I had a lot of fun tinkering around with this idea. I also had a lot of fun sharing it. You don't like it and that's absolutely fine. It's your opinion and I respect that. This forum is NOTHING but "Fix White Mage," "Fix Scholar," "Nerf Astro," and so on, so I thought this little idea would be a nice distraction, but it appears that regardless of the post, there will be people who have to rain on the parade. It's a little premature to say that this job would be OP given that there was no mention of MP costs or recast timers on anything. Benediction is OP until you consider its recast time. Nor did I mention any synergy with a gauge. Perhaps some of the abilities tie into building up a particular resource to use -- the armors perhaps. Regardless, I enjoyed the making of it. Thanks for your feedback.

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Originally Posted by Rivxkobe

This is why most players should never have a say in balance. Y'all suck at it.

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With regards to the potencies: I am going to assume the disclaimer at the top was completely ignored. In case you missed it, I clearly stated that potencies may not be balanced. The idea I was trying to convey with Water I and II was an initial, decent heal, followed by a mediocre HoT to supplement. The direction I was wanting to go with this class was a few basic healing abilities, enough to complement the other healer and stand-alone in dungeons, but their purpose would be to primarily buff the group in a variety of ways. While some are duplicates of Astro buffs (magma armor and rock armor), some are new and exclusive with GEOs (Eolian, Quake, Eruption). It was just a fun idea I had. I'm not on the dev team, so you don't have to worry about me stealing your spot in the raid, homie. Fun fact: None of us have a say in balancing. If we did, Scholars and White Mages would have everything they've ever wanted by now. The dev team will balance jobs how THEY want to. Not how you or I want them to. But thanks for your feedback. I will take it into consideration.

It's a fun idea thread. You may not like the job, or the ideas, and it's fine if you say so and why. Just don't make personal attacks on a person for their opinions, even if you privately think badly of them.

Anyway, on topic:

I don't think the GEO will scale off conjurer, although it may borrow pieces from its lore. That said, with 4.0, it has become clear that every job has an unique mechanic. WHM have lilies, SCH have the fairy, and AST have their cards. There are fun UI and gameplay elements for those. What would your GEO mechanic look like?

To me, it might be fun for GEO to build out resources like Sen for Samurai when they use certain spells and this can be used to trigger global utility effects or perhaps fields instead of targets. In some ways, it would take some or complement the utility from AST. Your abilities are a little too similar to AST, so I'd like to find a niche where a GEO might fit so it is not a battle between AST or GEO.

I was thinking they would have a gauge with 4 elemental bars. Each time they used an ability of a particular element, the bar would grow a bit. Whenever they filled the bar, they would be able to use a more powerful ability of that element. I was thinking about the armors (perhaps even buffing the potency of the armors as more of an incentive, depending on the rate of generation). The amount of elemental energy contributed to the bar would depend on the frequency the element would be used. For instance, Water abilities would be used commonly, therefore they'd provide less energy to the bar, while their air abilities would be used less often, thus providing more energy each time they're used. This particular mechanic would almost force them to use a variety of elemental abilities in order to use the armor from that element.

To be honest, the gauge is a bit more challenging of a concept than I thought it would be. I would like for it to have synergy with their game-play -- something that requires the use of a multitude of abilities. I want it to force them into being more than a turret healer. My imagined design was more of a support class with healing capabilities -- able to cast heals and help out, but primarily worried about buffing and dealing damage when possible. Thoughts?

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Originally Posted by Eloah

The only GEO I wanna see is this one right here, It's different, from any current job we have. And I will plug it until I see it announced, lol. Also It's not updated for level 70 yet, it still have the level 60 pacing, Haven't found the time to tweak it just yet.

GEOMANCER TANK EMBRACE IT!!!!!

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I think a GEO tank would also be neato! I'd definitely play it! All I play are healers and I'm a Geology major, which is why I'd LOVE for it to be a healer. :P However, if it became a tanking class, I'd be swayed to make the switch! ^_^

The problem with making GEO a healer is that, no matter how mechanically unique and different you make it from CNJ and WHM, every single player that doesn't already know how different it is will immediately wonder why there are two healers that do the same thing.

This means every new player that sees the job's thematic design, and every current player that doesn't pay attention to patch notes, watch videos on new classes, or play healer enough to understand the subtle differences between healing jobs, will look at GEO as WHM 2.0. That is not a healthy way to design a class.

This is why there's a growing momentum of people looking at GEO to be a caster tank, probably using barriers and the elements to protect themselves from damage.

I'd love to have something along the lines of a BLM ley-lines or arcanist-Shadowflare.

Geomancer would definitely a lay-down ability/standing in type of mechanic

Which if the geomancer stands in- would grant small dmg mitigation buff on GEO or add a condition on a specific ability (a damage and/or a heal). Similar to Noct-sect AST.

If you move outside that layed-down buff or recently moved out (push out) you gain a temporary-different buff (Wind thematic). Maybe a self movement speed or a Diurnal Sect AST regen or dot on an ability.

(Water thematic)
I can also see something along the lines of a fluid wall cast, that if you move through would give you a bubble(shield-mitigating dmg) it would be a pretty cool engaging-boss ability.