Change Is Scary

Please roll back to 3.0, as I am afraid of change and do not like adapting to new creative ideas and streamlined features of 4.0. I have minimum knowledge of game development or business logic, but as a consumer with plenty of time on my hands with no outside life, this is truly a life or death situation. Since I pay $14.00 a month, I feel I am completely entitled to telling you what should be done at the inconvenience and annoyances of others. I realize that you may have spent considerable time designing 4.0, but it is still not enough. And won't be ever, probably.

Although rolling back would mean less reasons to bitch and moan on these forums, I feel this would be the best route to take as then I would be able to find other new self-centered ways to complain without being constructive.

Thanks!

Lets vote on it ^^ Change is the way of the future. IF people take time to learn it actually has made some jobs pretty fun. I've seen both the good, the bad, and the plain ugly with players and changes. All I can say is...People need to practice. Changing itback won't change the fact that there are al lot of people who still don't understand or know their role. Besides the explanations they made did make a lot of sense from both a consumers and programming perspective. Give it a chance if it weren't for change we could never progress in life.

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Originally Posted by ManuelBravo

Lets vote on it ^^ Change is the way of the future. IF people take time to learn it actually has made some jobs pretty fun. I've seen both the good, the bad, and the plain ugly with players and changes. All I can say is...People need to practice. Changing itback won't change the fact that there are al lot of people who still don't understand or know their role. Besides the explanations they made did make a lot of sense from both a consumers and programming perspective. Give it a chance if it weren't for change we could never progress in life.

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...He was being sarcastic...

You're right! We should totally do that! c:


hey you found it c:

Change is for babies.

Yeah we should just shut down these forums because feedback is bad, amirite? The devs have never changed anything based on feedback, so it's pretty pointless.

Change is for vending machines.

Agreed. Can we please revert the forum back to an earlier state where this thread didn't exist?

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Originally Posted by Medicine

...He was being sarcastic...

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No really? With people in forums it can sometimes be hard to tell... /em plays worlds smallest violin

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But if what if you got short-changed?

Please revert to 1.0's outdoor leveling PTs farming Natlan direwolves for 5 hours to gain 20 levels.

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Originally Posted by Jas710

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OP is wrong, change is always good, 100% of the time. No matter what the change is, as long as it's different then it is undoubtedly better. Especially changes made by my bff4life Yoshi-P ;) It doesn't matter if the numbers go lower or the game is less fun to play. Those are just wrong opinions because I disagree with them. People who have those opinions and don't like change are the ones that need to change the most. It's just like my granny used to say, "If it ain't broke, change it!" Sadly, granny died shortly after cutting off her own arms and legs for the sake of change. But her spirit of reckless and unnecessary changes lives on in Stormblood and I am reminded of her every time I play.

If babies don't get changed, they tend to get real shitty.



It's a diaper joke, in case you didn't realize.

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Originally Posted by Zojha

But what if you got short-changed?

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You probably just wasted a Fantasia and are now a lala.

OPS RIGHT! BUT WHY STOP THERE!
LET'S GO BACK TO BACK TO 1.0!
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Originally Posted by Jas710

Please roll back to 3.0, as I am afraid of change and do not like adapting to new creative ideas and streamlined features of 4.0.

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A creative idea and a good idea are not necessarily one in the same (and just because something is different doesn't mean it's creative, either). As an example, they've completely changed the focus on what Warrior is in this expansion and, because of this, a lot of Warrior players are displeased. Should they then be like "well, I may not like this new Warrior, but I should play it anyway because maybe this new change is just way over my head and actually I love it"? No, surely not. You could argue that "just because X doesn't like it, doesn't mean that Y won't" - but then you run into the problem of there being more of X players than there are Y, which means less people playing the job. Ideally, if you are going to add on to a job in any way you want to increase what people enjoy about it - a good example of this is the Guilty Gear fighting game franchise, wherein players find new unforeseen ways to play characters and instead of fighting that current the devs nourish it.

An example of SE understanding that this makes sense is 3.0 BRD. They changed it to be fundamentally different from 2.0, a lot of people didn't like it, so they went back to what people liked about 2.0 BRD. You could say that 3.0 BRD was some creative new thing that was somehow good, but the playerbase that actually enjoyed 2.0 BRD didn't and that lead to the change we have now.

As someone who actually does have knowledge of game design and business, I can tell you that turning people off from a job they want to play is going to lead to loss of motivation and loss of willingness to stay subscribed. You, as a dev, want your players to be happy. Players feeling like the devs actually hear them is a huge thing in any MMO, most notably WoW (except for Vanilla servers which they don't want to touch because something something no projected profit).

It is perfectly fine to do some experimenting when you initially launch a game or when you introduce a new job (though you do run into some barbed wire around the role that job is filling when other jobs already populate it, but that's a digression so anyway), it's not nearly as fine to be experimental when people are playing and enjoying a job but you've decided that you want the job to play like something completely different.

There's also smaller scale changes which are actually fine and people complaining are generally in the minority, such as the BRDs who enjoyed the playstyle of 3.0 BRD more than 2.0 BRD. And then there's also changes which are fundamentally just not good because, as an example, you do significantly less damage than all the other damage dealers. Those changes are usually oversights though and are typically addressed quickly, though sometimes they're not like 3.0 PLD.

Anyway, point is, change isn't inherently good nor is it inherently bad but people are free to complain all they want and if enough people are complaining they'll change it.