4.0 warrior rotation?

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07-11-2017, 10:53 PM
Heal_Bot

4.0 warrior rotation?

Hello, I was a healer, so there never was a rotation really, this is all new to me.

Is there a spreadsheet or thread somewhere that details what should the warrior 4.0 rotation be? Right now I'm basically in Defiance 24/7 since I don't know when to stance swap.
07-11-2017, 11:12 PM
AdamZ

See this post: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...393-War-opener

If something happens and you can't follow the 2 min rotation (....) just think more like a priority system, to get 100 beast when zerk comes off cooldown, and if going over 100 use onslaught to burn some as to not waste.

Enjoy the new WAR, with a rotation that is equal to or harder then a melee dps (minus the positional).
07-12-2017, 12:51 AM
Alphras
I would say swap when you can stay in Deliverance for at least one Berserk window + prep time. There is not really a fixed rotation, so you need to optimize for each fight.

These are some landmarks that I follow currently.

Berserk Window
Keep Berserk and Inner Release in sync
1. When Inner Release comes off cooldown, be at 100BG and a refreshed Storm's Eye. Follow through with 6 Fell Cleaves + Upheaval and refresh Storm's Eye at the end.
2. When Berserk comes off cooldown without Inner Release, be at 60+BG and a refreshed Storm's Eye. Follow through with 3 Fell Cleaves + Upheaval.
Between Berserk Windows (highly depending on the fight)
Reach your Berserk landmarks and use the following priorities for BG dumping (avoid overcapping)
1. Dump high amounts with a Fell Cleave (usually only after a Inner Release + Berserk)
2. Upheaval for 20 BG
3. Onslaught for 20 BG
4. Butcher's Block as replacement for Storm's Path for 10 BG
If you don't need Thrill of Battle for the next 2 minutes you can use it to buff an Upheaval (in Berserk if you can).

Inner Release + Berserk (starting at 100BG)
Inner Release => Maim => Berserk => Fell Cleave(x3) => Storm's Path => Infuriate => Upheaval => Fell Cleave(x3) => Heavy Swing
The Infuriate and Upheaval need to be moved around depending on the Infuriate cooldown. Same with the Fell Cleaves. Just don't do 4 Fell Cleaves before Storm's Path.

Berserk only (starting at 60BG)
Berserk => Fell Cleave => Infuriate => Fell Cleave => Storm's Path => Heavy Swing => Maim => Storm's Path => Fell Cleave => Heavy Swing => Maim => Upheaval

Always use Berserk and Inner Release towards the end of your GCD.
07-12-2017, 12:51 AM
Shinkyo

After you've done your opener, WAR rotation is pretty much managing your gauge in between Berserk windows so you don't cap on gauge and have it at 100 as Berserk comes off cooldown.
Because of the infuriate trait (-5s cooldown every use of a 50 gauge ability), Infuriate will be up at different time so you have to make up the rotation as you go with the goal to not overcap on gauge and have it at 100 when Zerk comes off cooldown.
You also don't want to delay Berserk ever because it puts it out of sync with Inner Release.
07-12-2017, 02:04 AM
AdamZ

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alphras

Berserk only (starting at 60BG)
Berserk => Fell Cleave => Infuriate => Fell Cleave => Storm's Path => Heavy Swing => Maim => Storm's Path => Fell Cleave => Heavy Swing => Maim => Upheaval

Hmm, not sure how I feel about this part. Reason for 3X + upheaval, vs a 4X Fell (and starting at 100)? Feels like this would require me to delay the upheaval cooldown. Not easier just to pop upheavel on cooldown and manage to 100 BG (allowing the use of onslaught)?
07-12-2017, 02:48 AM
Alphras

If you have a 100% Deliverance uptime fight you can use 1 Fell Cleave and 1 Upheaval between your Berserk+Inner Release and Berserk window, so you are using Upheaval on cooldown with the 1. and 3. being in Berserk.

Everything else is fight dependent.

I also think that aiming for a 60+BG Berserk window gives me more flexibility with the gauge.
07-13-2017, 03:12 PM
ArianeEwah

I can confirm Alphras' rotation.

Getting 4 FCs into one berserk window is just a dream that's not gonna happen. Also pretty ineffective, you would had to delay your berserk to get 100 gage first which results in also delaying your Inner Release window.

You get more damage done by keeping Upheaval on CD, this skill is your highest potency/beast gage.
07-13-2017, 03:45 PM
SpookyGhost

Alphras has the right of it, though (as mentioned) it's important to keep in mind that mechanics can very easily skew your rotation so always be prepared to change things up. Your biggest priorities are your Zerk/Zerk + IR windows, so make sure to figure out what exactly is going on in the fight when those come up and avoid over-capping rage. It only really becomes a headache when you start taking into account raid buffs as TA timing can give you a whole different optimal rotation depending on the NIN, as well as other factors. But, as a general rule, just focus on getting the most you can out of your Zerk/IR window.
07-14-2017, 12:02 AM
Tegernako

IMO, rotations don't matter at all until savage/the new update comes out.

Even if SE does nothing to fix WAR's actual problems (and I'd love to be wrong but...) they still will be changing things about the class.

Point is, don't bother learning any rotations till we learn what Tuesday brings us. Every single one of them will be wrong come Tuesday.
07-14-2017, 12:17 AM
BluexBird

Assuming the changes come next Tuesday. Which I doubt. If they're even planning on fixing Warriors, we're still faaar away from that. Or maybe that's just me not wanting to get my hopes up. My guess is we'll only see a change after the new housing area comes out. ._.
07-14-2017, 02:13 AM
Alphras

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tegernako

IMO, rotations don't matter at all until savage/the new update comes out.

Even if SE does nothing to fix WAR's actual problems (and I'd love to be wrong but...) they still will be changing things about the class.

Point is, don't bother learning any rotations till we learn what Tuesday brings us. Every single one of them will be wrong come Tuesday.

So what did you do the first 4 weeks? Spam Butcher's Block?

Also I am not so sure that expecting rotation changing buffs next week is the best thing to do...

Better work with what you have now and revisit next week.
07-14-2017, 06:13 AM
Tegernako

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alphras

So what did you do the first 4 weeks? Spam Butcher's Block?

Also I am not so sure that expecting rotation changing buffs next week is the best thing to do...

Better work with what you have now and revisit next week.

I used common sense.
07-14-2017, 03:47 PM
Alphras

And what did you come up with (if you are willing to share)?
07-14-2017, 04:22 PM
Dizzy_Derp

Quote:

Originally Posted by BluexBird

Assuming the changes come next Tuesday. Which I doubt. If they're even planning on fixing Warriors, we're still faaar away from that. Or maybe that's just me not wanting to get my hopes up. My guess is we'll only see a change after the new housing area comes out. ._.

There is like a 99.9% chance warriors get buffed. Maybe not as much as people want but we will definitely see potency and bg cost adjustments.
07-14-2017, 04:28 PM
Dizzy_Derp

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tegernako

IMO, rotations don't matter at all until savage/the new update comes out.

Well that is a terrible way to go about things. You have to learn how to manipulate the class which is not going to change with potency and bg gauge changes. Even if it does to not learn an opener is really lazy. And right now there are 4 openers you need to know, your nin opener, mnk without nin opener, no nin/mnk and your delayed opener. so you have a lot to catch up on
07-14-2017, 08:56 PM
BluexBird

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dizzy_Derp

There is like a 99.9% chance warriors get buffed. Maybe not as much as people want but we will definitely see potency and bg cost adjustments.

Well then now I'm really worried. Because Warriors don't need potency buffs. They need playstyle adjustments. Right now, the fact that I have a skill I can't even use (Unchained) because there's a better version of it linked to it (Inner Release) is extremely frustrating. Starting fights as a Warrior now feels incredibly dull and unrewarding. Unless you plan on staying in Defiance the whole time.
07-14-2017, 11:08 PM
Dizzy_Derp

Quote:

Originally Posted by BluexBird

Well then now I'm really worried. Because Warriors don't need potency buffs. They need playstyle adjustments. Right now, the fact that I have a skill I can't even use (Unchained) because there's a better version of it linked to it (Inner Release) is extremely frustrating. Starting fights as a Warrior now feels incredibly dull and unrewarding. Unless you plan on staying in Defiance the whole time.

Tbh it needs both it has no utility so it needs to do more damage. But I see them taking the easy route and adjusting costs and potencies over the revamp they needs atm. I'm sure we will get it i just don't think it will be this soon due to se's limited resources
07-14-2017, 11:55 PM
Tegernako

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dizzy_Derp

Well that is a terrible way to go about things. You have to learn how to manipulate the class which is not going to change with potency and bg gauge changes. Even if it does to not learn an opener is really lazy. And right now there are 4 openers you need to know, your nin opener, mnk without nin opener, no nin/mnk and your delayed opener. so you have a lot to catch up on

I forgot to mention I don't even play WAR anymore, so it's also pointless to learn a class I don't play. Unless changes happen I will continue to not play it.