Party Finder: MCH not allowed

So, on Balmung I was look at ex trials. Every single party has Bard only.
When I asked if MCH could take place of BRD, 5 parties said no.

So it begins.

just don't play mch right now if any true mch wants something done about their class then Show Square no one is gonna play a useless class. I didn't voice my concerns during HW because it was not as bad. this time its far worst. I want to play the class but I don't want to drag down groups because I like a class

Well.

Damn.

Just damn.

Leveling MCH as my 3rd class right now. Even though I love the mechanics I'm gonna shelve it once it hits 70 till it gets a buff. I actually enjoy the rotation enough that I would main it if it wasn't so weak.

just wait guys.. i am pretty sure MCH is about to get a huge buff in next patch just like how they got a huge buff during HW....

I'm stubborn. I refuse to drop my gunslinger at any point, regardless of being top tier or bottom. I will never surrender the guns. 'u'

Yeah, people like that are usually pretty stupid. Yeah, the class has problems, but so many people act like they can't perform at all.

It was like that back in HW as well. People didn't want MCHs for Bismarck Ex, yet I cleared it. I cleared Alex first day and was even top dps in a couple of fights, proving to a FC mate of mine that MCH weren't useless.

But, it probably will stay like that. MMO communities are pretty much the most unfriendly and toxic gaming communities out there. And that includes CoD.

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

I'm stubborn. I refuse to drop my gunslinger at any point, regardless of being top tier or bottom. I will never surrender the guns. 'u'

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Don't worry, you have me to stand by your side! I don't play a class because it's meta, I play because it's damn fun!

...but I still want to play with the other kids, though...

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Originally Posted by KalinOrthos

Don't worry, you have me to stand by your side! I don't play a class because it's meta, I play because it's damn fun!

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Well... I'll admit that I have other dps jobs leveled to, so if one group doesn't want one I can bring another. XD But nothing anyone tells me will convince me to completely drop my handguns. MCH for life through the good times and the bad. 'u'

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Originally Posted by KalinOrthos

Ditto, and a tank, just in case. But MCH is just more fun to play for me.

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Yeaaah. I dunno what it is, but MCH has been so much more fun than any of the other jobs I play! It was my main in HW, and while I was expecting it to be boring without the cast times, managing Heat is a blast and very enjoyable for me~

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

Well... I'll admit that I have other dps jobs leveled to, so if one group doesn't want one I can bring another. XD But nothing anyone tells me will convince me to completely drop my handguns. MCH for life through the good times and the bad. 'u'

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Ditto, and a tank, just in case. But MCH is just more fun to play for me.

You have my condolences, at the end of Heavensward the PF was much the same for Monk, so I understand how frustrating this can be.

Weird, I've had no issue with this. Hopefully you don't experience any more of this!

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Originally Posted by Greedalox

Weird, I've had no issue with this. Hopefully you don't experience any more of this!

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It's popped up a few times on my server as well tonight, though they were really polite about it. Had some time to kill before dinner and I wanted to learn Susano EX, asked a couple of learning parties if I could join, and they refused me because MCH has low damage. It's a mentality being pushed because MCH aren't "meta" right now, and goodness knows you can't play this game if you aren't in the meta. /sarcasm

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Originally Posted by Greedalox

Weird, I've had no issue with this. Hopefully you don't experience any more of this!

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It's not all of the parties, but it's enough of them that its noticeable.

I can see this happening with SCH's too. Looks like I'll only be able to pug on either my PLD or on my alt who is a dedicated SAM. Fantastic......

This is why balance is important guys. Sadly it's not enough for the jobs to be just viable. They need to be competitive or certain jobs are going to get locked out because people are idiots.

Welcome to Dragoon life. We aren't allowed either

"We are undergeared and our skills are subpar. Thus not good enough to clear with a MCH in the party parsing only 3200. Sorry"

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Originally Posted by kupokage

"We are undergeared and our skills are subpar. Thus not good enough to clear with a MCH in the party parsing only 3200. Sorry"

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Pretty much this. Whenever I see any class being singled out like this it's often by players who aren't all that skilled in their own right. MCH can't put out the /best/ numbers right now, but a MCH who knows what they're doing is far more preferable to me than a subpar SAM who is just spamming whatever looks cool. I can't tell you how many times I've out DPS'd the supposedly easiest class to currently play in content simply because they're rolling their face all over the keyboard.

Time to make MCH only parties, then :p

--> just be the leader of the team as Machinist, so it's not "against the bard" but "sorry we already have a ranged physical dps support" (still write MCH only ;p )

PS : It's just a joke, be more smart than those stupid people, no need to make BRD feeling out too. They are not the problem, the system is (and obviously people).

I geared my MCH to 314 and joined a lot of Susan and Boobie Lady farm groups. Never had a problem or even an comment regarding my class.

That being said, the DPS gap can get pretty big despite having mapped the fights out to get the maximal potency. It wouldn't be bad if we had a significant impact on party DPS or performance support wise, but alas, it is how it is. Fingers crossed for the next patch.

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Originally Posted by KalinOrthos

It's popped up a few times on my server as well tonight, though they were really polite about it. Had some time to kill before dinner and I wanted to learn Susano EX, asked a couple of learning parties if I could join, and they refused me because MCH has low damage. It's a mentality being pushed because MCH aren't "meta" right now, and goodness knows you can't play this game if you aren't in the meta. /sarcasm

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It's not really a "meta" thing. Most PF groups, especially learning / clear groups, are really bad at the fights and often meet enrage because of low DPS. If they meet enrage with high DPS jobs, they're completely justified in not wanting a lower DPS job in the group as sad as it is.

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Originally Posted by Enla

Pretty much this. Whenever I see any class being singled out like this it's often by players who aren't all that skilled in their own right. MCH can't put out the /best/ numbers right now, but a MCH who knows what they're doing is far more preferable to me than a subpar SAM who is just spamming whatever looks cool. I can't tell you how many times I've out DPS'd the supposedly easiest class to currently play in content simply because they're rolling their face all over the keyboard.

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Couldn't agree more. I play SMN main and started to see PFs removing SMN from primal ex. People who do this only show that they are looking to be dps-carrired. It's sad.

Players will always take the path of least resistance. It has nothing to do with how good they are individually. If they can take an edge. They'll take it. And right now that edge excludes SMN and MCH from SOME clearing parties. It's important to note that you can always just make your own clearing party and people won't give a care

Umm... I'm sorry if I'm intruding here, but is there a good reason why SE decided to put a very tight enrage timer on the EX primals in Stormblood? I mean, I heard it was 11 minutes? Despite being able to clear it (Videos of MCH clearing Susano EX and Lakhsmi EX does exist!) I feel like things would be much better if there's at least 13 minutes before the enemy goes enraged.

In any case, if I were to put up a PF for the EX primals, I will accept anyone, even MCH, and will kick anyone who mocks on a player because of meta. It's just too painful for them, I'm sure. They've been practicing all this time, spending their blood and sweat just to get to 70, doing their best... Forgive me, I guess I was just emotional all of a sudden.

The only other thing that I'd probably make as requirement is to clear the Earth, Sky, Stone of Susano EX.

If that party is locking out roles, chances are it's a trap party.

How far behind is Mch even supposed to be? We looked at the difference in numbers as soon as we could, yet now when I look at both primal fights mch and brd has evened out just about in damage. What am I missing?

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Originally Posted by Lyrai_Celestine

Umm... I'm sorry if I'm intruding here, but is there a good reason why SE decided to put a very tight enrage timer on the EX primals in Stormblood? I mean, I heard it was 11 minutes? Despite being able to clear it (Videos of MCH clearing Susano EX and Lakhsmi EX does exist!) I feel like things would be much better if there's at least 13 minutes before the enemy goes enraged.

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There's a DPS check? I've cleared it easily with 2 MCHs. The fights are pretty faceroll, if people can't get it down by enrage then they need to clean up their game.

The dps check wasn't even that tight in a mix of 290 and 300 gear. If people can't do it at this point then it doesn't matter what job they bring.

It was just a matter of time, at least now its a good reason (if anyone thought it wouldn't be necessary) to buff MCH.
I do remember a few days ago peoples here saying that something like this would never happen (lol) but any weakER job is prone to that, it happens to DRKs (which I showed pictures in another post) so why wouldn't it happen to MCH when there are so many DPSers to chose from?

I have like 5 screenshots of no BLM parties too.
I tried reasoning with the leader (and even had to upload some 99% Lak EX parses I got on the PF) and they still wouldn't relent.
I mean, my own fault for bringing some BLM issues to light.

My MCH friend is now playing BRD and my SMN friend is now playing RDM.
My heart goes out to you (even I'm a filthy meta slave and went RDM qq).

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Originally Posted by Shortie

So, on Balmung I was look at ex trials. Every single party has Bard only.
When I asked if MCH could take place of BRD, 5 parties said no.

So it begins.

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on Zodiark SCHs/SMNs/MCHs are starting to get locked out on "high dps" farm grps as well... casterspots are pre-reserved for at least 1-2 RDMs... per grp .____.

Make your own group?

Ah, this nonsense has started.

That's fine. Run and cleared everything so far as a MCH, so I'm content to sit back and watch the clown fiesta play out in the PF.

Quite sad how this thread starts to get absued by every other class, that thinks XY is currently too powerfull.


Ist common sense that in the current meta MCH has a Problem and needs a serious retuning. It is that bad, that I can even realy imagine that MCH gets sorted out of endgame Content. This needs to be adressed.

On the other Hand, reading stuff about how SMN and BLM crying that no group accepts them anymore, even go so far as claiming all Groups only want 2 RDM (the Limit Gauge-Penalty is waving at you) makes fun of the current MCH-Problem. Same Thing with DRG and MNKs who Claim like everybody is avoiding them in favour of allmighty SAM.

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Originally Posted by BloodRubyXII

Make your own group?

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You miss the point.

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Originally Posted by Talec

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So if a SMN is rightfully unhappy with how their job performs due to the punishing nature and the fact its damage is almost as bad as MCH's and voices those concerns, they're "making fun of MCH"?
So if a SMN starts having trouble joining a party on the pf because of a perceived weakness in the class, they're belittling the MCH's concerns?
I'm sorry, but what you just said is utter rubbish.
If there's something bothering you about your job- something that has a substantial amount of data backing it up, too- voice it.
The fact MCH also have it bad (or maybe have it worse) does not change the fact that other jobs also have issues.
This isn't a contest to see who's the poorest of all, and a job's problems/issues do not mean you cannot look at whatever's wrong with the next.
A SMN has every bit as much right to feel dissatisfied about this situation as a MCH, without each taking anything out of the other's concerns.

That is pretty dumb. There is currently no content in this game yet that requires such a harsh DPS check that you start to become picky about what job you bring in. I have not come across one PF yet that has left MCH out. Not to mention it is irrelevant since most people cannot even take full potential of their jobs anyways. Let dumb people be dumb.

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Originally Posted by Talec

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The problem that casters are having is that RDM right now does too much. It has damage rivaling that of a black mage with few of the drawbacks (RDM is very mobile, BLM falls apart anytime they have to move, etc.) while offering more utility than either of the other two casters with Vercure/Verraise and Embolden. If you were a cutting edge raider, you'd be crazy not to have a RDM in your party; however, not every player is cutting edge but quite a few take the ways that the absolute top echelon of players play, which we come to know as the meta in this game, and treat it like scripture, removing MCH and SMN and DRG in the most common cases, and MNK and BLM in the absolute worst cases. Buffing these classes and bringing down the top classes in the game would serve to alleviate some of the issue, but the biggest problem most of us have is that a lot of these players, again, treat the meta like scripture.

The only good thing that will come from this is SE will see the active exclusion and hopefully fix and improve the job. With the way content works in this game, I could sit out this whole raid tier and miss nothing.

To anyone that truly enjoys playing MCH, though it might be disappointing, ride this out. We'll be better for it.

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Originally Posted by ThirdChild_ZKI

The only good thing that will come from this is SE will see the active exclusion and hopefully fix and improve the job. With the way content works in this game, I could sit out this whole raid tier and miss nothing.

To anyone that truly enjoys playing MCH, though it might be disappointing, ride this out. We'll be better for it.

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I think by this point MCH is forever stuck with bad design choices that will kick them to the bottom of the Barrel. It has been MCH issues that it seems SE just can't figure out how to properly balance MCH since its first release in 3.0

MCH will need a serious revamp if this keeps up or maybe now needs it. Unless SE is intensionally making MCH bad so players would stop playing it.