So.. i wanted to level my Warrior a bit Today...

And the peoples reaction inside the dungeon was: " Omg why are people still playing WAR." Healer left the dungeon and the DPS soon followed as no new Healer came in.

I know that Warrior is bad right now and its also not Very fun but giving me the feel that im a burden to people just because i want to level the job is really the worst.

I think WAR is still viable, but from my experience, they seem squishier for some reason? I'm not entirely sure why considering they won't ever run out of CDs if they stay in Defiance.

This is what my friend who mains healer said.

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pld's are op this patch, i've noticed they're significantly tankierthan the other tanks, squishiest i've had has actually been wr x_x they're like the new drk in terms of squish since pre 4.0 drk was really squishy until they got fully geared at late game

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War is certainly the worst tank right now, but they are still viable for all current content. No need for people to leave over them.

Those people are braindead.

That's really dumb. In dungeons WAR is probably still better than PLD since they have shorter cooldowns and can blow them on pulls. More DPS on bosses too if you don't have a NIN/SAM to give slashing debuff.

It's not like Intervention is doing a lot for you in a Light Party. Just idiots bandwagoning who don't know what the actual problem is.

That's a stupid reason to leave a dungeon. And I've yet to run into that as I leveled my WAR to 66.

I've run stuff on my level 40ish warrior and had no problems, seems these people were more about pulling your chain than anything else, don't let it bother you.

That probably didn't happen at all the way tc described.

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Originally Posted by Nikolas

That probably didn't happen at all the way tc described.

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Im glad if you seemingly never encountered any toxic people.

Imagine leaving something over any class?
There's not a 1:1 parity on the jobs but it's not like any class has ever been so bad you have to avoid it at all costs.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

Imagine leaving something over any class?
There's not a 1:1 parity on the jobs but it's not like any class has ever been so bad you have to avoid it at all costs.

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I think its the "Elitist attitude" that takes place more and more in this Game. Its also the Case for some Raidgroupes, if you dont Play a BIS Job, they wont take you in.

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Originally Posted by Araxes

Im glad if you seemingly never encountered any toxic people.

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Maybe its just a matter of "Being the most toxic person, makes everyone around you look like the nicest people."?

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Originally Posted by YitharV2

I think WAR is still viable, but from my experience, they seem squishier for some reason? I'm not entirely sure why considering they won't ever run out of CDs if they stay in Defiance.

This is what my friend who mains healer said.

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exactly where the problem is, IF they stay in defiance.......the same problem pld and drk have too, without tank stance now all tanks feel squishy.

I leveled WHM to 70 and didn't have any trouble with WAR tanks. The degree of difficulty of the run was normally determined by how much the tank pulled and whether or not people dodged well in the fights. That WHM was likely a troll who was going to bounce anyway.

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Originally Posted by Araxes

I think its the "Elitist attitude" that takes place more and more in this Game.

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Na, more a "I am the BESTEST!!" sort of attitude that a bunch of really crappy players have. Most likely that healer would have said "OMFG a DRK? Seriously! BYEBYE" if it had been a DRK, had it been a PLD it would instead have been "If I even have to heal you once then your a pos tank and I will LEAVE!! #fakegodmode SAD!!". Some people are just shitty people with shitty attitude, this mostly go with them being shitty players.

to be honest right now through leveling dungeons it's all equal footing. Healers are trying way too hard to dps, tanks are still undergeared trying to gear up and learning fights, who should not be pulling so much. I mean dps looks pretty breezy as ever, with a singular job in most normal content to avoid aoes and just deal damage is to be expected, though I've run across some dps who like to rush ahead and pull some more. Once everyone becomes familiar with new rotations and fights with proper gear these problems will(hopefully) alleviate themselves.

Sounds like you were intentionally trolled. With queues the way they are for non-tanks, only a lunatic gets picky about what kind of tank you get. Hell, often people will close their eyes and just deal with it when you get a floor tank because you'd rather take the wipes instead of wait for an hour for a new one after kicking.

If it bothered you so much I suggest bringing friends or FC mates while leveling. Sometimes they're not the most skilled people, but it's always more fun when you know no one's going to be a jerk about it. ^_^

In a ... dungeon ?

As if ANY tank would have trouble tanking a dungeon ...

You just encountered very low IQ people ... It happens ...


You can unleash 3+ Inner Beasts back to back along with even more defensive CDs and self heals ... I see no reason to be "squishier" than a PLD in dungeons.

It's more on the healer than anything else. The healer who left probably sucks and is looking to shift the blame on someone else.

Yea that's annoying if that really happened, but you're a tank, you could find another group faster than you could make this post probably. I get the bigger picture you're trying to allude to but is one random healer's opinion of a class or role he's probably never even played really this big of a deal? There are misinformed and melodramatic people in the thousands in this game - I wouldn't waste my time getting upset every time I encounter one.

I think the OP is making this crap up. I run dungeon after dungeon on DF with all sorts of party compositions and no one says anything except the initial "hi" and the final "ty for pt" comments.

Is this thread another War crying thread trying to be disguised as something else?

WARs are a pain to heal because they are really squishy, but so are DRKs. Pretty much the only tank I ever want to see in dungeons now are Paladins when I am healing.

As for the DPS if they bitched they can wait another 30 damn minutes for a queue. lol I've seen plenty of WAR's do just fine in all the content so far even with the crappy changes.

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Originally Posted by TankHunter678

WARs are a pain to heal because they are really squishy, but so are DRKs. Pretty much the only tank I ever want to see in dungeons now are Paladins when I am healing.

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Warrior has more access to cooldowns in trash pulls than both drk and pld. If anything they're less squishy. If they're eating it hard, they're a bad tank regardless of job.

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Originally Posted by MomoOG

I think the OP is making this crap up. I run dungeon after dungeon on DF with all sorts of party compositions and no one says anything except the initial "hi" and the final "ty for pt" comments.

Is this thread another War crying thread trying to be disguised as something else?

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I've also never had this issue. Maybe I just leveled my WAR before the mentality started to filter down to the general populace.

If this even happened, my guess is that you were purposefully trolled.

If this was actually true, then just chalk it up to running into the dbag percentage of the community.

Because contrary to what you might hear from a lot of dramatic big mouths, tanks are still fine.

Chalk it up to garbage meta babies. Warriors, while the weakest, are not outright bad in any sense.

When I've a shitty healer, I feel they're most manageable as a Paladin, especially at 64+, because I can keep myself up and my immunity CD isn't heal-dependent. Apart from that, any tank seems to work just fine for as large of pulls as dungeons make possible. If anything, SCH has been the only hamstring for mass-pulling, especially with a Paladin, because they lack the AoE potential to take advantage of tank CDs.

In the end, the rate of DPS relative to the depletion of your CDs will matter far more than any average marginal mitigation differences between the tanks.

That said, PLD does *feel* best to me at the moment, and, imo, DRK the worst, for mass-pulling and WAR the worst for chain-pulling.

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Originally Posted by Conando

Warrior has more access to cooldowns in trash pulls than both drk and pld. If anything they're less squishy. If they're eating it hard, they're a bad tank regardless of job.

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You're acting like the average DF tank rotates their cooldowns lol.

I roll War in all end game content atm with ease. No trouble with healing (even average healers) or whatsoever. Just learn when to pop your CDs and learn the fights. War is viable atm.

I roll War in all end game content atm with ease. No trouble with healing (even average healers) or whatsoever. Just learn when to pop your CDs and learn the fights. War is viable atm.

I had that happen a few times to me as well lol. The healer was like 'Oh look it's a Warrior!' - I think I was doing the last dungeon in SB. At first I didn't understand why he was surprised but looking back I guess I know now.

Things have gotten that bad eh?

I've already quit from the game anyway as my subscription ended today. I have no motivation to level up another class, and since I only like tanking I don't think there is another option for me at the moment.

Honestly, anyone treating Warrior like they're trash tier is just jumping on the stupidity bandwagon. They're not nearly as amazing as they used to be, but in dungeons they still reign supreme as far as I can tell. And regardless of what people say, they did become a better MT due to have access to rampart now, as well as near limitless inner beasts and short cooldowns. Their off tanking is now terrible, though. There's no way getting around that.

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Originally Posted by Araxes

And the peoples reaction inside the dungeon was: " Omg why are people still playing WAR." Healer left the dungeon and the DPS soon followed as no new Healer came in.

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I have thus far completely failed at having this problem.

There are those with the opinion that the new Warrior is fine, and even more engaging to play:
https://youtu.be/nQZFxWOyrhY

And from the guy who likes it, how to play it:
https://youtu.be/5gNnSvkyszk

I feel you. I've been playing since a bit late into ARR, and I've always gotten alot of crap for playing PLD and not being part of the meta.. Now I'm on the otherside and told I'm brain dead easy. Just ignore that crap and play what you feel like. It's about having fun in a game, not satisfying some jerk's want to tell you how to play that game.

People always have stories like this and I've NEVER in all my time playing this game have ever seen the much fabled "zomg you're playing garbage class 'x'? Get the fuck out!"

I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but there's a lot of things this community exaggerates to a GREAT degree.