PotD sack changes

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07-07-2017, 12:16 AM
caponesavage

PotD sack changes

Morning all. I read in patch notes that there were changes to the items dropped by silver trimmed sack in PotD but no actually information as to what those changes were. Anyone have any info on this. Also just a rumor looking for some confirmation. I have heard rumblings that iron trimmed sacks now have a possibility to drop a nightmare peggy. Can anyone confirm or deny that as well? Any info would be much appreciated.
07-07-2017, 12:19 AM
ffchampion

Not a chance they'll make them drop the pegasus. floors 51-100 are way too easy to earn something like that. maybe they'd lower to floors 101+. but i highly doubt it'll ever be 51-100 set
07-07-2017, 12:23 AM
Vidu

My guess would mainly be that that means trimmed sacks can now drop more items - they've introduced a stuffed Edda as furniture and the guess would be it coming from some of the sacks, which would be a change to the loottable.
07-07-2017, 12:28 AM
caponesavage

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Originally Posted by ffchampion

Not a chance they'll make them drop the pegasus. floors 51-100 are way too easy to earn something like that. maybe they'd lower to floors 101+. but i highly doubt it'll ever be 51-100 set

So no chance that might be why they would do it..to stop folks from speed running and cake walking it?
07-07-2017, 12:40 AM
Roth_Trailfinder

If they wanted to stop people from speedrunning PotD, they would make the exp and coin/tomestone award based on the percentage of basepop (excluding repops) killed in the entire ten floor set, rather than a fixed amount.
07-07-2017, 01:00 AM
caponesavage

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Originally Posted by Roth_Trailfinder

If they wanted to stop people from speedrunning PotD, they would make the exp and coin/tomestone award based on the percentage of basepop (excluding repops) killed in the entire ten floor set, rather than a fixed amount.

I guess I should say stopped is a harsh word. I meant to say give players incentive to take their time since it would be worth their time to now try to get accursed chests
07-07-2017, 02:33 AM
Maero

Me and friends have got many gold and silver chests from running up to floor 180 countless times and none of us have ever come across Pegasus :(
Rng be cruel to some of us
07-07-2017, 05:10 AM
ServerCollaps

I guess the changes mostly count for added samurai and redmage primal weapons

I wouldnt expect anything more
07-07-2017, 05:58 AM
kattzkitti

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Originally Posted by Roth_Trailfinder

If they wanted to stop people from speedrunning PotD, they would make the exp and coin/tomestone award based on the percentage of basepop (excluding repops) killed in the entire ten floor set, rather than a fixed amount.

That wouldn't fix the issue, because it could be easily "cheated" due to how Palace of the Dead works. Speed through until the last two or three floors, which you clear out.

Rewards should instead pay out on a floor-by-floor basis, with extremely severe penalties inflicted on the player if they leave the dungeon early (for example, instead of just a flat 30 minute Duty Finder lockout, have a 72 hour lockout and 80% reduction to all other rewards across the rest of their gameplay during that time). Have rewards reduced for the rest of the party by 80% for the rest of the duty if a player is dismissed, to discourage vote dismiss abuse to bypass those penalties.

Instead of a linear scaling amount of rewards, just flat remove gil/tomestones and reduce exp payout by 50% if the floor is less than 50% explored. If the floor is at least 50% explored, and at least 50% of the base population is killed, then give full base reward for that floor. If players complete 100% exploration and clear 100% of base population, then triple the base reward for that floor, as well as increase the chances for positive floor effects and reduce the chances of negative floor effects on the next floor.

These changes would instantly remove speedrunning, and would make Palace more rewarding to run. It would also make future "Deep Dungeon" content more fun as well.

I put quotes on "Deep Dungeon" because I'm about 99.9% positive we're getting a "Tall Dungeon" in that tower in The Ruby Sea whenever they release the 4.x version of Palace. Not the only one who thinks this, either. That place just screams Palace-type gameplay, especially when you fly up close and examine the architecture more carefully (clearly split into floors, separated by what appear to be discs that could be the floors can be rotated around on... not to mention those Jenga blocks that could be rearranged to explain the random floor generation). Not to mention that it's clearly made by something other than the currently known races, being high-tech yet distinctly not Allagan/Garlean.
07-07-2017, 06:15 AM
Nixxe

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New items can now be obtained from silver-trimmed sacks.

Those are the 101-150 sacks. Iron-trimmed comes from 51-100 and as far as I know is unchanged. It's likely that the change is the addition of Stuffed Edda.

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Originally Posted by kattzkitti

Instead of a linear scaling amount of rewards, just flat remove gil/tomestones and reduce exp payout by 50% if the floor is less than 50% explored. If the floor is at least 50% explored, and at least 50% of the base population is killed, then give full base reward for that floor. If players complete 100% exploration and clear 100% of base population, then triple the base reward for that floor, as well as increase the chances for positive floor effects and reduce the chances of negative floor effects on the next floor.

Or we could stop inventing "solutions" to problems that don't exist.
07-07-2017, 06:15 AM
AkashiXI

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Originally Posted by Maero

Me and friends have got many gold and silver chests from running up to floor 180 countless times and none of us have ever come across Pegasus :(
Rng be cruel to some of us

Yeah, and when my group did our 150 - 200 for the first time, we saw two mounts. TBH though, I sold mine, it looks pretty ugly imo.
07-07-2017, 06:51 AM
Archvile78

I think there is a stuffed Edda that's been added to those bags.
07-07-2017, 07:27 AM
kattzkitti

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Originally Posted by Nixxe

Or we could stop inventing "solutions" to problems that don't exist.

Speedrunning goes against the design of the content, this is direct word from the game designers across multiple interviews. So yes, it's an issue, whether or not you can comprehend the very simple fact.
07-07-2017, 07:39 AM
magnanimousCynic

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Originally Posted by kattzkitti

Speedrunning goes against the design of the content, this is direct word from the game designers across multiple interviews. So yes, it's an issue, whether or not you can comprehend the very simple fact.

Mind sharing a source? I don't remember the developers telling people how PotD is intended to be run.
07-07-2017, 07:52 AM
Nixxe

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Originally Posted by kattzkitti

Speedrunning goes against the design of the content, this is direct word from the game designers across multiple interviews. So yes, it's an issue, whether or not you can comprehend the very simple fact.

[citation needed]
07-07-2017, 07:56 AM
Archvile78

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Originally Posted by kattzkitti

Speedrunning goes against the design of the content, this is direct word from the game designers across multiple interviews. So yes, it's an issue, whether or not you can comprehend the very simple fact.

Thank god he doesn't get to choose how i play my content.
07-07-2017, 08:46 AM
Theodric

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Originally Posted by ServerCollaps

I guess the changes mostly count for added samurai and redmage primal weapons

I wouldnt expect anything more

That does seem likely.

I doubt that they will be adding too many new items to POTD as it makes more sense for them to just add them to the new version of Aquapolis as well as the new version of POTD whenever that goes live.