So 7.0.1 patch notes are out.

http://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...691b3fadfb35e5


What are your thoughts on the (lack of)dps class changes.

I think the skill balance was best in 6.0

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Originally Posted by Verdan

I think the skill balance was best in 6.0

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I'm laughing to hard at this comment LOL

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Originally Posted by Verdan

I think the skill balance was best in 6.0

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opssssssss(yeah 10 characters).

You meant 4.0.1
I think they will get there.
First thing is the most important problems and new content.

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Originally Posted by Nezia

http://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...691b3fadfb35e5


What are your thoughts on the (lack of)dps class changes.

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Their post about 4.0.1 literally says that class balance changes will be in 4.0.5 when savage comes out..... only tank enmity changes were made to make holding enmity more predictable.

Brd gets a buff before Mch gets anything ITS 3.0 ALL OVER again Glad i saw this coming and leveled sam which they said Ya this is dps class stop bitching its not gonna get nerf.

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Originally Posted by Etrock08

Their post about 4.0.1 literally says that class balance changes will be in 4.0.5 when savage comes out..... only tank enmity changes were made to make holding enmity more predictable.

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I dunno man... Ninja just got a potency increase on Bhavacakra. I'm not sure if that was entirely warranted. It's cool though, don't get me wrong. I play ninja, but it is still a potency increase. The fact MCH got nothing in this patch despite how desperately they needed it is kinda disheartening

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Originally Posted by Shhikasan

Brd gets a buff before Mch gets anything ITS 3.0 ALL OVER again Glad i saw this coming and leveled sam which they said Ya this is dps class stop bitching its not gonna get nerf.

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I mean....from what I understand of the ability I'd barely consider it a buff to write home about. It's not increasing their DPS output, just very slightly increasing their own survivability - the utility remains pretty much the same.

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Originally Posted by Chiraisu

I dunno man... Ninja just got a potency increase on Bhavacakra. I'm not sure if that was entirely warranted. It's cool though, don't get me wrong. I play ninja, but it is still a potency increase. The fact MCH got nothing in this patch despite how desperately they needed it is kinda disheartening

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I think it's still a decrease overall since it's now not going to be based on physical which means it won't be applicable to a lot of the physical buffs, right?

Still, nothing for Mch, Drg, Smn/Sch?
They really needed some attention.

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Originally Posted by Lelila38

Still, nothing for Mch, Drg, Smn/Sch?
They really needed some attention.

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http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...95#post4263595
Just in case you were curious. Seems like they're going to do some big balance changes when they release Savage. I feel, sans NINJA, they just fixed some of the core issues and easy fixes for some technical problems such as aggro midigation or bards.... bug?

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Originally Posted by ElasmoFan

I think it's still a decrease overall since it's now not going to be based on physical which means it won't be applicable to a lot of the physical buffs, right?

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Pretty sure that it being physical was purely a bug fix. It was never meant to be physical. *shrug*

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Originally Posted by Chiraisu

Pretty sure that it being physical was purely a bug fix. It was never meant to be physical. *shrug*

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True, just meant in the sense that the potency increase is so the damage doesn't go down too much compared to what it was since it's loosing out on poisons and buffs and all that.

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Originally Posted by ElasmoFan

True, just meant in the sense that the potency increase is so the damage doesn't go down too much compared to what it was since it's loosing out on poisons and buffs and all that.

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It didn't occur to me that it wasn't affected by dripping blades. Guess this makes sense.

I thought dripping blades affected all damage now? Or is it still only physical?

They fixed Battle Voice and Troubadour. Happy day, woo.

I'll necro this when 7.0.1 will come out

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Originally Posted by SkyCake

They fixed Battle Voice and Troubadour. Happy day, woo.

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Fixed? They flat out buffed Battle Voice by not even requiring a song to be played. A situation that shouldn't happen but a buff regardless.

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Originally Posted by Ryaz

I thought dripping blades affected all damage now? Or is it still only physical?

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It's a faulty translation error. Dripping Blades still only affects physical damage, so Fuma is still arguably viable :P

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Originally Posted by Elnidfse

Fixed? They flat out buffed Battle Voice by not even requiring a song to be played. A situation that shouldn't happen but a buff regardless.

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Outstanding, really.

6.5 addressed a lot with the pink tutu wearing white mage

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Originally Posted by Fernosaur

It's a faulty translation error. Dripping Blades still only affects physical damage, so Fuma is still arguably viable :P

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Ah, gotcha. I only saw the previews and didn't realize it was physical only as I haven't played my Ninja yet this expansion. Thanks for clarifying.

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Originally Posted by Elnidfse

Fixed? They flat out buffed Battle Voice by not even requiring a song to be played. A situation that shouldn't happen but a buff regardless.

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did you actually read the patch notes? it didn't say anything about a song needing to be played.....it said that party members dont need to be under the effect of a song. All that means is that if you are out of range of the bard's song, you will still get the buff for battle voice. I do find it funny that no one mentioned the huge fix for machinists.

7.0.1???

Gosh are we in 2024??? LMAO

In a serious note hope they bring back sustain and miasma 2 for SMN

We're on 7.3 n-

Oh, wrong game.

the more important thing that was left out was that housing isn't being released until 4.1 /sadface.

It blows my mind that they find buffing a NIN potency (a class thats fine to begin with) more important than fixing other classes that have more important issues like MCH & DRG.

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Originally Posted by IchiExorz

It blows my mind that they find buffing a NIN potency (a class thats fine to begin with) more important than fixing other classes that have more important issues like MCH & DRG.

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Bhavacakra used to mistakenly classified as physical damage instead of magic damage. This meant that Bhava was amplified by Dripping Blades, which only affects physical damage, and Slashing debuff. This gave Bhava a total potency of 726 before counting buffs like embolden and brotherhood.

Now that it's magic, it is no longer affected by the aforementioned traits and abilities above. Effectively, the base of Bhava went from 726 potency based off the ninjas kit to 600. So this is a nerf in the form of a bug fix.

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Originally Posted by IchiExorz

It blows my mind that they find buffing a NIN potency (a class thats fine to begin with) more important than fixing other classes that have more important issues like MCH & DRG.

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It's a nerf.

So they nerfed a class that was fine to begin with. Doesnt make it sound much better tbh.

I still feel like there were much more important things that needed to be fixed.

at least enmity is fixed - hopefully tanks can hold burst aoe a bit better now... : o

I'm still finding the lack of updates to Dragoon off-putting. Yoshida mentioned them specifically in comparing them to Samurai, as far as solo DPS versus party utility. But, currently, NIN has more utility than DRG and currently does 400 DPS more than DRG.

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Originally Posted by Varathael

I'm still finding the lack of updates to Dragoon off-putting. Yoshida mentioned them specifically in comparing them to Samurai, as far as solo DPS versus party utility. But, currently, NIN has more utility than DRG and currently does 400 DPS more than DRG.

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Even worse that he mentioned how the classes most punished by mechanics have the highest damage, when in reality two of the weakest dps right now are the ones most punished by mechanics. At least he stated that they may have gotten things wrong. I'm cautiously optimistic for 4.05.

Fix for machinists :
"An issue when using the machinist action Flamethrower wherein its effect ended when a target within range would move." (yay \o/ )
"An issue wherein the description of the status inflicted by the machinist action Dismantle was incorrect." (I'm wondering what is actually is)
"An issue wherein damage dealt when using the machinist action Rook Overdrive did not appear in the battle log."

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Originally Posted by Varathael

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Been saying the exact same thing. NIN may be limited, DPS wise, to just Trick Attack utility but it is FAR better than anything DRG currently brings. Can be used more often, isn't as clunky and buffs EVERYONE by 10% for the same amount of time as Dragon Sight? Crits are nice but a reliable buff is far more valuable.

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Originally Posted by Riotpersona

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DRG, arguably, is punished period (can't comment on MCH, I know little about it). While LoTD is serviceable, it is incredibly unwieldy sometimes, even against a dummy.

RLMFAO they kinda buffed BRD and FORGOT ABOUT MCH! LOL! HOW RICH.
OH MY F****** GOD I CANNOT BELIEVE IT! THEY BUFFED BRD AGAIN LOL.
RIP MCH EVEN MORE.

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Originally Posted by Shunye

did you actually read the patch notes? it didn't say anything about a song needing to be played.....it said that party members dont need to be under the effect of a song. All that means is that if you are out of range of the bard's song, you will still get the buff for battle voice. I do find it funny that no one mentioned the huge fix for machinists.

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Define "Huge" ?

And if you think that this flamethrower fix is any good, then you're playing MCH wrong (which apparently you don't even play it) if you're using flamethrower for whatever reason its because you've screwed up your rotation and I'd rather do 5x hotshots anyway for single target.

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Originally Posted by Shunye

did you actually read the patch notes? it didn't say anything about a song needing to be played.....it said that party members dont need to be under the effect of a song. All that means is that if you are out of range of the bard's song, you will still get the buff for battle voice. I do find it funny that no one mentioned the huge fix for machinists.

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you mean the flamethrower fix? I would love to be excited about it. But you'll forgive my lack of enthusiasm given the rest of the nothing.

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Originally Posted by Elnidfse

Fixed? They flat out buffed Battle Voice by not even requiring a song to be played. A situation that shouldn't happen but a buff regardless.

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Nope.

Activating Battle Voice requires that the Bard be playing a song, that has not changed. The range of BV also has not changed and is still set at 20 yards. Songs are 25 yards. Ideally anyone receiving Battle Voice will always be under the effect of one of the Bard songs.

What this change does is make sure that BV still lands in specific cases where, for whatever reason (like if you press one and then the other really quickly), the other players in the group do not have the effect of your song on them. If it's a buff, it's an exceptionally minor one.

The Troubadour change is indeed a buff, but one by way of fixing a design flaw with the skill itself - that it didn't affect the Bard as well was simply a flaw in how it was designed.

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Originally Posted by Shunye

did you actually read the patch notes? it didn't say anything about a song needing to be played.....it said that party members dont need to be under the effect of a song. All that means is that if you are out of range of the bard's song, you will still get the buff for battle voice. I do find it funny that no one mentioned the huge fix for machinists.

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A lot of the blind trying to lead as far as ranged goes on these forums lately. Soooooo much misinformation around here as well.