A question about Miqo'te (Possible spoilers if not at Azim Steppe yet)

So, while doing research about Miqo'te, to be able to add a good history for RP finally, I learned Miqo'te come from Ilsabard. However, I tried looking it up on the map and it is nowhere to be found! I am guessing this is because it is not in the regions we have ventured so far. Now my question is this: If we come from Ilsabard, then why does it not show on map yet? Will there be a Miqo'te area like Lalafell in Ul'dah and now Au Ra in Azim Steppe? Maybe we can travel to Ilsabard in the next expansion?
I already look forward to it and kind of hoping to see more about Miqo'te, cause internet so far is not giving me much information about my favorite race...

Miqo'te come from Ilsabard (Do they even do that? I thought they were from Meracydia.) in the same way Lalafell comes from Allagan Test tubes Southern Island chains. While the race originated from there, the current generation we come from has moved to Eorzea. Those islands to the south too are unreachable ingame.

Miqo'te has their areas, being southern thanalan for the U tribe and The Fringes for the M tribe. The rest of the tribes supposedly has their homes in out of reach areas of the realm. The Black Shroud seems to be entirely for the Keeper tribes, but like the Duskwight, we have not seen much of them.

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Originally Posted by Enur

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Well most think that but I did deeper research and saw a post about the actual lorebook saying they are from Ilsabard. And I just want to see the original area of the Miqo'te as well as one story about how their tribes work. Instead you get like 4 different stories. They show Au Ra in Azim Steppe as origin, so why not Miqo'te as well? If for all races we will still need plenty of expansions.

Miqo'te lore is a bit complicated because there was actually two great migrations. One that took them out of Eorzea, then another that saw them return during the great Ice age of one of the Calamities. The first exodus was nearly forgotten by history.

Ilsabard IS actually on the map, it's that huge cloud-covered area called The Garlean Empire.

Eorzea is comprised of the landmasses of Vylbrand (where La Noscea is located) and Aldenard (where Thanalan, Coerthas, Dravania, The Black Shroud, Mor Dhona and Gyr Abania are); Ilsabard is the name for the landmass between Eorzea and Othard, which is currently occupied by The Garlean Empire.

And, as said above, Ilsabard being the homeland of Miqo'te is talking about centuries, if not millenia, in the past, the current generations are all over and you can find several tribes that settled in Eorzea and are way more Eorzean than Ilsabardian.

Couple things here.

The world of Hydaelyn is made up of three separate, major continents: Aldenard to the West (in which the realm of Eorzea is present), Ilsabard to the North (where the Garlean Empire originates from), and Othard to the East.

It's believed that, at some point during the Fifth Umbral Era in which the entire world was subjected to a deep freeze not unlike a major ice age, the oceans between Aldenard and Ilsabard were frozen solid, thus allowing Miqo'te tribes situated on the southern edge of Ilsabard to migrate over to Aldenard. However, it's stated in the Encyclopaedia Eorzea that those Miqo'te were descendants of Miqo'te that once lived in Eorzea, but were driven out and exiled by the Allagan Empire during the Third Astral Era. While I know nothing beyond that much, we can at least determine that Miqo'te do not, technically, originate from Ilsabard.

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Originally Posted by Kinkoz

Couple things here.
The world of Hydaelyn is made up of three separate, major continents: Aldenard to the West (in which the realm of Eorzea is present), Ilsabard to the North (where the Garlean Empire originates from), and Othard to the East.

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Well, technically the World of Hydaelyn has three major landmasses, Meracydia and the New Continent (to the West) being two not seen on our maps, Aldenard, Ilsabard and Othard making the other as they are connected by land bridges.

Wasnt there some kind of evidence that the Miqo'te were make by the Allagans? Like something in Azis Lla explaining they were made there? Or am I confusing them with something else?

you're prolly remembering two somethings else.
1: the Ixali are pretty much confirmed to be descended from the Allagan servant race the Iskalion (fought in the Fractal Continuum). Besides looking like them, the Ixali tell tales of being cast down from the holy land Ayatlan, which could easily be a corruption of Azys La.
2: There is a... let's call it a fish, that is caught in the Aetherochemical Spill at Azys La called Aetherochemical Compound #123. it is described as having a texture "almost identical to that of a lalafell's skin." While not proof-positive that the Allagans DID create lalafells, it does hint that lalafell were present on Azys La (and possibly were melted down as part of an experiment.)

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Originally Posted by Kyan

Well, technically the World of Hydaelyn has three major landmasses, Meracydia and the New Continent (to the West) being two not seen on our maps, Aldenard, Ilsabard and Othard making the other as they are connected by land bridges.

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That's... Pretty much what I said. Meracydia and the New World generally aren't counted among the Three Great Continents, like with Thavnair, the Southern Seas, and the Northern Empty.

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Originally Posted by Rhykin

you're prolly remembering two somethings else.
1: the Ixali are pretty much confirmed to be descended from the Allagan servant race the Iskalion (fought in the Fractal Continuum). Besides looking like them, the Ixali tell tales of being cast down from the holy land Ayatlan, which could easily be a corruption of Azys La.
2: There is a... let's call it a fish, that is caught in the Aetherochemical Spill at Azys La called Aetherochemical Compound #123. it is described as having a texture "almost identical to that of a lalafell's skin." While not proof-positive that the Allagans DID create lalafells, it does hint that lalafell were present on Azys La (and possibly were melted down as part of an experiment.)

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Hey, You. Allagans. I like you.

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Originally Posted by Kinkoz

That's... Pretty much what I said.

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The world of Hydaelyn is made up of three separate, major continents: Aldenard to the West (in which the realm of Eorzea is present), Ilsabard to the North (where the Garlean Empire originates from), and Othard to the East.

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Sorry if you felt what I said was redundant, I was just trying to clarify the bold point you made of what makes up the world, especially for the sake of people that think Meracydia is the Miqo'te's homeland (as I once did prior to all the information we received in 3.0 and 4.0).

"The Three Great Continents" are just one of the three major landmasses in Hydaelyn. Meracydia is the second of Hydaelyn's three major landmasses, with "The New World" or Ketenland being the third major landmass. This is not to be confused with the "Three Great Continents" which makes up one of the "three major landmasses".

Meracydia and The New World may not be so important to our plot currently, but they are large enough to be considered "major landmasses" and make up the "three major landmasses" of our beautiful world (Reference, Page 12 and 13 of the Encyclopaedia Eorzea)! Hehe.

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Originally Posted by Kyan

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Not so much redundant, simply irrelevant. Wasn't aware that people thought that cats come from Meracydia though, that's certainly a new one.

As it is, you're splitting hairs. Hydaelyn IS, canonically, made up of three, separate, major continents, and the rest of the landmasses are always stated as being in relation to any one of the three – like how Meracydia and the New World are constantly referenced as being adjacent to Aldenard/Eorzea, and how Thavnair is referenced as being adjacent to Ilsabard. They're significant locations, of course, but are nowhere near large enough to be counted in the same level of prominence as... Well, the Three Great Continents themselves.

Why you feel the need to state your references in the Encyclopaedia Eorzea to me is also baffling, considering everything I initially said, I derived from those very same pages (and then some). That's why I made it a point to list the book as a reference in my own, initial post as well.

More so than all of this, specifying the rest of the landmasses is, really, quite irrelevant to the question OP asked. They wanted to know where Ilsabard is located, and the easiest way to illustrate this is by giving a very basic overview of the way each of the Three Great Continents are represented on a map, which is generally considered to be Aldenard – West, Ilsabard – North, and Othard – East, with a giant mass of ocean between all three.

Once again I apologise, I was not provoking you or attacking, simply trying to elaborate on what you have said. Exploring Hydaelyn is something that really excites me, and I just wanted to clarify for the rest of the thread-readers that there is more to Hydaelyn than "The Great Continents," which is how your post reads. It was not an attack, the lore forums are a place to educate and talk about the FFXIV world.

I quoted those pages because, canonically, it states "There exist three main landmasses in Hydaelyn, the largest being that which contains three great continents - Aldenard, Ilsabard, and Othard." The other two are Meracydia and The New World, as I posted and you know. This is the entry just under the title on page 012. Aldenard, Ilsabard, and Othard are significant, sure, and larger than many of the other landmasses. But I disagree with your point that they "make up Hydaelyn" - they are only one third of the major lands of Hydaelyn, as stated in the lore. That's all I wanted to point out.

The thread topic was about Miqo'te origins, and I also have the same wish to see more of the Miqo'te tribes represented in the game (I have a lore-based name, and am excited to see the Viper tribe represented one day, if at all!). In the theme of the thread, the idea that Miqo'te came from Meracydia isn't a new one. If you look through the many lore threads on Miqo'te, and even in this one (someone else posted about Miqo'te coming form Meracydia earlier in the thread, prior to your first post, which is what encouraged me to post here :-) ). Who knows, it could still be the case - they could have migrated from Meracydia to Eorzea pre-Allagan, bringing Aloe on the journey! But that's pure speculation and tin-foil hat stuff.

Back when I compiled a whole lot of information in 2013 in the forums about in-game text and online references about the wider world of Hydaelyn, there were certainly a few item descriptions that hinted at Miqo'te coming from the South (which, speculating, could have been the original intention, as the similar Mithra had come from the southern lands in FFXI, and it changed as 3.0 and 4.0 developed and more world lore and history developed behind the scenes, but who knows! A lot of minor lore has been adjusted and retconned (such as leves which mention Rothlyt Sound being near Vylbrand - but the pesky pelicans still are near Aleport! But I digress...)). It's now nice to have that clarity and to know Miqo'te have a history with Eorzea, thanks to things like the lore forums and the lore book.

I do not post as often as I used to on these forums because of how people treat each other, and I do not have time for that in my life. So I apologise if you felt I was being nasty or mean towards you personally. :-) Never my intention. I apologise that you felt you needed to be defensive with me, and I forgive you if you felt ill towards me. I think I'll leave now and just go back to lurking in the forums, hehe.

Sorry for taking a while to get back to this. I was completely absorbed into leveling my RDM lol. I am still curious to them. What we hear here are also different stories. I am looking for the one true story from begin to now. So before Ilsabard they lived in Eorzea and just came back? But then, where did they used to live? Where do they come from as per origin of the first roots of Miqo'te? I wish we would get an explanation about that as well. For me Miqo'te is THE race for me, so I want to know everything about them! ^^