DRK - Is it worth using Dark Arts Bloodspiller without Grit?

Or is it more potency and DPS overall saving them all for Carve and Spit, Siphon Strike and Souleater?

Since grit lowers damage by 20 percent for off tanking it's better to do it without activating grit

From what I understand, since DA+Bloodspiller potency in Grit is the same potency as no Grit, it's usually used in Grit to keep DPS, and outside of Grit if you have excess MP and Blackblood.

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Originally Posted by Pori_Dessu

From what I understand, since DA+Bloodspiller potency in Grit is the same potency as no Grit, it's usually used in Grit to keep DPS, and outside of Grit if you have excess MP and Blackblood.

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So then, only DA Bloodspiller if you're in Grit or have excess MP as off tank? Save DA for Siphon and Souleater?

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Originally Posted by Mithron

So then, only DA Bloodspiller if you're in Grit or have excess MP as off tank? Save DA for Siphon and Souleater?

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What? No. DA bloodspillers out of grit if you can because larger base potencies get a higher gain from criticals/directs, but don't worry about prioritizing them or not if you don't want to.

When you're in Grit however you want to DA every spiller. Two different scenarios.

DA C&S is the priority in or out of Grit. Out of Grit, after that, just go ham. Every single target is +140 potency. 'What' you DA depends on when C&S, Salted Earth, and Plunge are coming off cooldown, as they take priority over DA. Plunge cannot be double weaved, and DA-C&S must be double weaved. You don't want to push these attack Cooldowns back more than one GCD, and you don't want to delay your GCD trying to fit more in during the global cooldown than can fit. Some people double weave with Salted Earth, but I don't..

Crit/DH for higher base is a side-rule to follow, but oGCDs are top priority.

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Originally Posted by Mithron

So then, only DA Bloodspiller if you're in Grit or have excess MP as off tank? Save DA for Siphon and Souleater?

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Originally Posted by BlackironTarkus

What? No. DA bloodspillers out of grit if you can because larger base potencies get a higher gain from criticals/directs, but don't worry about prioritizing them or not if you don't want to.
When you're in Grit however you want to DA every spiller. Two different scenarios.

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This ^
When out of Grit, it's actually a good damaging skill (Specially if you have Crit/Direct melds), it's not "Super" priority tho, I'd dare to say. To be honest tho, what else would you spend the blood when Delirium is on CD? And MP is not really a issue right now, as long as you're not using Dark Passenger. So, if you're playing correctly, you should be able to use it without worrying about not having MP to use DA on Syphon and Souleater.

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Originally Posted by Xenosan

DA C&S is the priority in or out of Grit. Out of Grit, after that, just go ham. Every single target is +140 potency. 'What' you DA depends on when C&S, Salted Earth, and Plunge are coming off cooldown, as they take priority over DA. Plunge cannot be double weaved, and DA-C&S must be double weaved. You don't want to push these attack Cooldowns back more than one GCD, and you don't want to delay your GCD trying to fit more in during the global cooldown than can fit. Some people double weave with Salted Earth, but I don't..

Crit/DH for higher base is a side-rule to follow, but oGCDs are top priority.

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Grit DA is worth 112 while grit DA spiller is still worth 140, which is why it gets priority over souleater and syphon. It's really easy to double weave salted. Plunge is the only one you can't really double weave with.

you should only be in grit for the initial pull and a powerslash combo, and yes its worth it, priority is cns, bs, se for dark arts. delirium bw takes priority over bs

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Originally Posted by Derio

Since grit lowers damage by 20 percent for off tanking it's better to do it without activating grit

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but this skill have 80% damage increase if you are in grit, so you actually gain damage here

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Originally Posted by ShariusTC

but this skill have 80% damage increase if you are in grit, so you actually gain damage here

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its literally the exact same damage whether youre in or out of grit, you people are bad at math lol

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Originally Posted by ShariusTC

but this skill have 80% damage increase if you are in grit, so you actually gain damage here

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Bloodspiller Potency : 380
In Grit potency : 475, but since Grit reduces damage done by 20%, the effective potency is 475 * 0.8 = 380
And no, it does not ignore damage penalty from Grit, if it does it'd have specified so like WAR's Inner Beast

DA Bloodspiller : 520
Grit + DA Bloodspiller : 650 * 0.8 = 520, same deal

Not sure where did you get this 80% from though.

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Originally Posted by mosaicex

And no, it does not ignore damage penalty from Grit, if it does it'd have specified so like WAR's Inner Beast

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For now, having increased potency under Grit or ignoring Grit's penalty is the same.
However, if one day we have a skill like Unchained, then we could pair this skill and BloodSpiller to gain even more damage.

Darkside only (1.2x modifier)
The net benefit for using DA on SpS is:
1.2(390) - 1.2(250) = 168 potency

The net benefit for using DA on SE is:
1.2(420) - 1.2(280) = 168 potency

The net benefit for using DA on BS is:
1.2(520) - 1.2(380) = 168 potency

The net benefit for using DA on C+S is:
1.2(475-100)/2 DA = 225 potency

NB: this costs 2 DA to use, as the base ability gives you 1 DA when used without DA.


Grit + Darkside (1x modifier)
The net benefit for using DA on SpS is:
390 - 250 = 140 potency

The net benefit for using DA on SE is:
420 - 280 = 140 potency

The net benefit from using DA on BS is:
650-475 = 175 potency.

The net benefit for using DA on C+S is:
475-100/2 = 187.5 potency

With Grit off, it doesn't matter whether you use DA on a combo action or BS. Use it on whatever GCD you like, in order to ensure that you don't cap on MP. With Grit on, you should always DABS, as it's worth 35 more potency than a DA combo action. DA C+S still takes precedence in both cases.

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Originally Posted by Derio

Since grit lowers damage by 20 percent for off tanking it's better to do it without activating grit

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This is incorrect.

There is bonus potency for using DA+BS while in Grit. And the bonus potency is exactly what you need to make up for the 20% damage reduction in Grit.

So to answer the OP: They are exactly the same. The net potency between DA+BS out of grit or in grit is exactly the same.

Basically the TLDR here is; Bloodspiller has the same effective Potency regardless of if you're in grit or not, so the priority is basically always the same regardless of if you're in or out of grit. Please feel free to correct me.

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Originally Posted by VenKitsune

Basically the TLDR here is; Bloodspiller has the same effective Potency regardless of if you're in grit or not, so the priority is basically always the same regardless of if you're in or out of grit. Please feel free to correct me.

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This is correct but with one caveat, being that Bloodspiller doesn't necessarily have priority over SS/SE out of Grit. In Grit, it does. This is why artificially inflating your BS usage with TBN is a gain in Grit but a (very, very slight) loss out of Grit.