Personally Only being able to use swords skills when your mana is at 100 percent to get full advantage of the combo is very boring and it needs a change.
I think that they should raise the potency of the base attacks while the enchanted versions of each attack would cause different effects based on which mana level is raised higher.
Maybe an enchanted Moulinet could cause a stun when the black mana is at 100 percent.
and would consume 25 white mana to do an off heal based on how many targets you hit.
Just something to give basic sword skills more use and add situational benefits to the enchanted skills.
Red Mage Enchanted Sword skills need a change.
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06-22-2017, 09:14 PMartyportRed Mage Enchanted Sword skills need a change.
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06-22-2017, 10:40 PMTheChemicalCat
The entire point of the job including within the lore is to maintain a balance between black and white magic, teachings coming through the abuse of aforementioned magic. Having the job purposefully have magic imbalance (minus the very minor having one mana being at least one point higher than the other for verflare/holy) defeats the purpose of the job.
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06-22-2017, 11:39 PMartyport
VerAero/VerLighting/VerStone/VerFire/VerHoly/VerFlare
should really all be the same skill that changes based on what mana you have higer and atleast do slightly different things because they all currently do the same thing with the same damage potency and again... boring.
Finding the balance between them could be something else.
The class needs help. Stop Fanboying like its ok.
I say this a a person who wants to play the red mage and sees its potential. -
06-22-2017, 11:53 PMTheChemicalCat
Explain how the job needs help. because it's not a magical jack-of-all-trades job like it is in some other final fantasies? The job is fine. In fact it can still do some potent healing so whatever. Their DPS is good, AoE spam is boring for everyone.
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06-23-2017, 03:42 AMartyport
it needs help because 6 of its skills are literally the same skill so there are only really 3. No other class has this. 3 of its skills can only be used super rarely and always in the same rotation.
I actually like the toolset of the red mage. I'm not super happy with the way they are making us use it. -
06-23-2017, 04:36 AMYorumiYeah cause I tell you in other FF games all the black magic spells were so different from each other.Quote:
Originally Posted by artyport
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06-23-2017, 05:04 AMVolatile
Here is what I don't like about all these threads. The message isn't "The class is broken/unplayable/not-competative." It's, "This isn't EXACTLY how I imagined Red Mage." Stormblood has just stared, play the class. Master it as it is. RAID with it, and then tell us if there is something enormous wrong with it. Maybe there is nothing wrong with the class other than you just don't like it, and that is fine. Play a different class then.
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06-23-2017, 06:14 AMChiraisuThey were. They actually were affected by resistance and weakness. Thats what made them different and also what warranted a variety. We dont have that here. So.... In its place. We need "something" . so manner of utility, thoughtQuote:
Originally Posted by Yorumi
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06-23-2017, 06:16 AMYorumi"we need something" like building different mana and needing a slightly imbalanced gauge for our finisher?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chiraisu
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06-23-2017, 06:16 AMUnaki
Oh look another complaint thread about how Red Mage isn't living up to your dreams. Jesus christ. Also you only need 80 of each to get Enchanted sword skills. It doesn't take long at all. You only spend about 30 seconds from the start of the fight out of the range. Your opener gets you to 80 in 7 GCDs and after that its about 6-8 GCDs max to get back to 80/80. The flow is just fine.
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06-23-2017, 06:22 AMChiraisuOn the contrary. I love it. Its very fun and interesting. But it does fall short in certain few aspects. Finding balance is great and all. But we receive no reward for it save our weaponskill combo. Even then it encourages to deliberately seek to get an imbalance to gain the maximum effect of verflare and verholyQuote:
Originally Posted by Volatile
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06-23-2017, 06:27 AMChiraisuTis the only benefit. And even that choice is largely an illusion. Save for flavor, there's no incentive choose one over the other.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yorumi
Just give each one an exclusive buff. It doesn't even have to be much -
06-23-2017, 06:28 AMYorumiAnd yet how is that any different from any other class in the game? What's the reward for a smn using aetherflow besides trance for more damage? What's the reward for a blm using enochain and ley lines besides more damage? What's the reward for a sam managing kenki and sen besides more damage? What's the reward for mch managing heat besides more damage? Why is rdm special in that when it behaves in line with the design philosophy of the game we decide it's all wrong and needs to be changed?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chiraisu
In line with the above what class honestly makes any kind of choice? There is none, even mch has a rotation cause you never choose not to use a proc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chiraisu
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06-23-2017, 06:46 AMChiraisu
Perhaps you are right. But maybe not. I don\\'t aim to argue or complain so don\\'t get me wrong. Unlike the op im very content with my job in rdm.
However. I do like to speak of potential or theoretical changes. :D its just something i like.
I know not how rdm numbers compare with the other casters. But, they atleast seem to be just a bit more supportive, doubling up on that identity would be nice to see -
06-23-2017, 07:31 AMDuelle
As others have noted, you only need to be 80/80 to use the sword skills. That being said, your suggestion would require notably increasing mana generation and possibly adding skills that manipulate the gauges (a skill that removes mana from one bar and adds it to the other) for it to be considered feasible. You'd also have to change the rate at which mana is intended to be consumed (and likely nerf a bunch of abilities as a result). It would take a bit of work, to say the least.
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06-23-2017, 09:08 AMSelova
This whole "RDM is bad and needs to be changed/buffed because it doesn't live up to my personal fantasy" is getting ridiculous. You are complaining about the aesthetics of a job as a means of needing to "fix" them, because you don't like how it functions. There is nothing wrong with the way RDM plays on both a functional and number level.
You know how the saying goes: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it". The last thing SE needs is a bunch of oldschool RDM fanboys telling SE to fix the job because of spell aesthetics and hoe it doesn't match to their personal fantasy of what they think a red mage should be. Just stop. -
06-23-2017, 11:34 AMRazardWelcome to Summoners world for the past 3 years xDQuote:
Originally Posted by Selova
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06-24-2017, 02:46 AMYorumiAt least smn can argue this iteration of smn(specially in 2.x) deviated quite radically from what smns typically have been in FF. In the case of rdm the people are basically arguing that SE shouldn't have made rdm like a rdm.Quote:
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06-24-2017, 05:52 AMartyport
most of you are saying the job works and it does.
Numbers are fine but the way it plays is what is getting people annoyed and i have the right to be annoyed. Its not just aesthetics.. its needs more diversity and what actions im doing. -
06-24-2017, 07:50 AMOscura
No, it doesn't.
Quit the class if you don't like it, period. -
06-24-2017, 10:55 AMUnakiIf you wanna sit on the boss's butt the entire time and melee there is a perfectly made group of four jobs that do just this. Go play one of those.Quote:
Originally Posted by artyport