If you thought Steps of Faith ruined trial roulette ...

Royal Menagerie is going to be waaaaay worse. Gonna be a lot of dropped parties on it I guarantee it.

I haven't made it that far but thanks for the warning. I guess if it's anything like Steps of Faith then it's a relatively easy trial that has fun unique mechanics that is ruined by players who fail to communicate and do simple proper mechanics until S.E. dumbs it down.

it's the final boss, it's supposed to be hard, if your persistant enough and can get the mechanics down though you'll eventually prevail.

Susano would like a word with you.

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Originally Posted by Leigaon

I haven't made it that far but thanks for the warning. I guess if it's anything like Steps of Faith then it's a relatively easy trial that has fun unique mechanics that is ruined by players who fail to communicate and do simple proper mechanics until S.E. dumbs it down.

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This. So much of this right here.

I was wondering and waiting all the time for THIS thread to pop up.

Why did it take so long? Oh, right. because its always just specific people who are mostly complaining and they were busy complaining about server congestion :D




Just kidding. But seriously, its quite tough for a trial. We wiped a couple of times until we made it.
Some of my friends even say that Susano EX is easier than that trial. Cant confirm that myself yet but ive seen plenty of people with full susano/lakshmi gear by now. @__@


this trial actually really almost made me give up on trying to dps as a healer...so there's that.

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Originally Posted by Faliandra

I was wondering and waiting all the time for THIS thread to pop up.

Why did it take so long? Oh, right. because its <people> who are mostly complaining and they were busy complaining about server congestion :D




Just kidding. But seriously, its quite tough for a trial. We wiped a couple of times until we made it.
Some of my friends even say that Susano EX is easier than that trial. Cant confirm that myself yet but ive seen plenty of people with full susano/lakshmi gear by now. @__@


this trial actually really almost made me give up on trying to dps as a healer...so there's that.

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You don't want to be specific about who even as a joke, i just got suspended for a week for it.

see i love trials like that.

Gets your blood pumping. You sing songs to Kahless and drink barrels of blood wine!!!


Kla'plah!!!

Healing Royal menagerie is soooo much fun though. And with fun I mean healers get to adjust, manage cooldowns and every decision has a real impact. I thought the same thing of final steps of faith

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Originally Posted by Listrella

it's the final boss, it's supposed to be hard, if your persistant enough and can get the mechanics down though you'll eventually prevail.

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Main story quest tho, people said the same about Niddhog. It's sad to see how people can't react to the easiest mechanics ever.

Well the first wave of good players is probably already past it, now its starting to age with better gear etc. coming in. Another two or 3 days and its pretty much old content.

Wiped so many times on first try. Then second try almost everyone knew what to do and it was a breeze. For the first little while it will be hard while ppl learn the mechanics.

I can't wait now. I was honestly expecting the final fight to be another faceroll, but this topic has me hyped. Now to ignore this topic because spoilers.

huh, does it at least have a failure cutscene, op? :)

I pugged it since my friends went to bed. Took two pulls with a bunch of new people including myself. I don't see how it's an issue.

I take part of this thread to say thank you to the dev team to give us such a good final boss !
It's not easy, it's epic, the music is awesome.

A true final boss like in others Final Fantasy.
Really, don't change it and inspire yourself on this one to design futur 8 man trial content.

It was really fun !

I'm not there yet, like the vast majority of people who play the game I'm sure, not to mention the fact that even most of us no-lifers were stuck at Raubahn for two days.

But I'm coming here to say again years(?) later, that Steps of Faith wasn't avoided because it was "hard," it was because of the way it was designed. People didn't like getting past a portion of it, knowing there was no way to recover, and then still having to wait 10 minutes to try again. For contrast, Final Steps of Faith was probably similarly difficult, but you didn't have nearly as many people quitting even after random groups failed four times in a row. The Chrysalis was also similar when it was new IIRC - people groaned but they did it.

So I expect that will have more to do with how this plays out than how "hard" it is. Again, haven't made it there like most people, just saying if you're going off difficulty that's not the bigger factor.

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Originally Posted by kattzkitti

Susano would like a word with you.

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???? Got through on first run with only one wipe in DF today, not sure why this would be considered that hard.

Wiped so many times we ran out of time on the duty my first try.. Then with a second party we cleared it the first time.

It's a fun fight though. Would be a shame if people just left once it showed up in trial roulette.

i did this the first time last night at around 4am.
And it was utterly confusing.


Now I was just thrown into it again when I queued for trials.
And it was a lot easier actually.


I suppose 4am just isnt a good time to try and learn a new fight. :D

Tried to down it with 4 differences group that wishes to do it blind. 3 group didn't last more than a minute at 2nd phase, despite telling them again and again the mechanics. 5th group we down it after 2 wiped. Everyone as pick up the mechanics by then. That final trial is a good slap in the face for tunnel vision player.
Please SE don't nerf this trial!

I think players are starting to adapt to it now, things went a bit easier when I fought it today.

Beat it today with 2 minutes to spare. Very fun fight that throws a lot at you. After a few tries the patterns are not too bad though.

Am I weird that I love trials that make the party wipe? I love things that challenge payers and make us communicate. I actually intentionally run Final Steps of Faith just so I can give tips and experience working things out with a new party.

Why do so many players seem to hate playing the game so much?? It's fun to work out problems. The only unfun thing is when someone comes in thinking they are the only person that matters and starts harassing others(especially new people).

From what I've seen, a lot of the less skilled players are going to have a lot of trouble passing this fight. I hope it doesn't get nerfed.

I'm pretty sure it's the hardest fight yet in MSQ.

In my opinion SE has gone way to far with a fight like this in the MSQ which should be a bit more casual friendly.

To me it feels like some of the "old" ex primals are way easier than this. The fight is awesome in terms of atmosphere with all the shiny stuff happening, the music and all I agree to this, but I dunno Thordan did a good job at that aswell and wasn't such a hard "wall" to overcome.

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Originally Posted by Annah

see i love trials like that.

Gets your blood pumping. You sing songs to Kahless and drink barrels of blood wine!!!


Kla'plah!!!

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Did....did you just speak to us in Klingon tongue?

Good on you.

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Originally Posted by Silica-chan

In my opinion SE has gone way to far with a fight like this in the MSQ which should be a bit more casual friendly.

To me it feels like some of the "old" ex primals are way easier than this. The fight is awesome in terms of atmosphere with all the shiny stuff happening, the music and all I agree to this, but I dunno Thordan did a good job at that aswell and wasn't such a hard "wall" to overcome.

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Thordan was a joke though. It was such a disappointment of a final battle. I hope we never see a fight like that again. This one's a bit on the tough side, yeah, but let's please not go to Thordan levels ever again.

Glad to hear the last fight has some difficulty, the faceroll of Thordan kind of ruined the end of 3.0 story.

Yay. You guys are making me so excited for this fight. I can't wait and hope I can get to it this weekend. I hope they don't nerf it. Didn't Yoshi say he is done listening to us complain about fights lol.

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

Thordan was a joke though. It was such a disappointment of a final battle. I hope we never see a fight like that again. This one's a bit on the tough side, yeah, but let's please not go to Thordan levels ever again.

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Ultima was a "joke" too. I agree Thordan could've atlast hit us a bit harder to create some feel of being in danger but oh well. To me the Ascian battle in 2.3? had the ideal difficulty for the MSQ. He hit hard and had some mean shit but was easy enough to recover from mistakes.

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Originally Posted by Leigaon

I haven't made it that far but thanks for the warning. I guess if it's anything like Steps of Faith then it's a relatively easy trial that has fun unique mechanics that is ruined by players who fail to communicate and do simple proper mechanics until S.E. dumbs it down.

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Or maybe it was just a shitty fight? Get your tower defense bullshit out of my MMO thanks.

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Originally Posted by TouchandFeel

Never forget the bees, may they rest in peace.

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Demon Wall in Amdapor Keep was really fun before the change.

I hope they leave it alone as it is! Please don't change a thing about this instance! I love it! Let people take the time to learn, and let friends help friends. Please and thank you for this beautiful instance!

It is also DAY ONE!!! Learn the fight my god..

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Originally Posted by kattzkitti

Susano would like a word with you.

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Tanks didn't react to the crystal fast enough, so I ran in as Sam and blocked the blade. Still got yelled at after they passed the dps check though, mostly due to the group wiping at sub 1%.