Lancer Attribute Build

I saw this post on Gladiator page so thought why not get a Lancer one on the go.

Lancer build for v1.20

How will you distribute your points for Lancer?

Let share idea's with each other and compare,

See if we can find the ulimate build :)

i think i might do

Str - 23
Dex - 22

Strength all the way.

i posted this in the gl thread too bu ill post it here as well, if you split it up you prob wont see a noticeable difference. I think ill put it all in one stat to see the biggest increase in a focused area.

45 point with a max of 23 at 50 on one stat. May wait for some testing but basically will go on +23 STR and +22 PIE and used all those accuracy materia or accuracy gear that was not really interesting before in a 8/8 PT to compense for the low acc WS we got

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Originally Posted by DucNerval

45 point with a max of 23 at 50 on one stat. May wait for some testing but basically will go on +23 STR and +22 PIE and used all those accuracy materia or accuracy gear that was not really interesting before in a 8/8 PT to compense for the low acc WS we got

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its maxes you at 23, that sucks

well what sucks ? isn't it the max we can put in the same stat ?

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Originally Posted by DucNerval

well what sucks ? isn't it the max we can put in the same stat ?

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i dont know if theres a max for stat, thats what you. i said it sucked cause i was looking forward to putting it all in one stat. Not a big deal. ill live.

Don't forget spikey that pie is also now a dmg modifier for lancer auto attack

Well i basically just read the patch note and try to figure out what i'm going to do for my lnc and giving my thinking to the OP about this.
And re-reading it closer, there is a maximum that is 23 for a level 50, it is written like, let me see, in a spreedsheet like just at the start of the point allowment description. may not be the best choice but hee trying to figure out without the patch beeing released lol

Does anyone know if there will be a softcap on damage? If there is it may not be worth pushing str above a certain number. If that is the case, I plan on waiting to see how poor the accuracy really is in our skills before stacking pie or acc.

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Originally Posted by Zahak

Don't forget spikey that pie is also now a dmg modifier for lancer auto attack

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yea might have to do some testing just to get it right.

I have a feeling Piety is going to be the difference between good and Great so I'm going to look and see if there is gear for it. If not then I will be focusing my points there.

I did 23 Piety and 22 Strength and I have yet to see a miss. Might just be coincidence so far though. kweh.

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Originally Posted by Jason33w

I did 23 Piety and 22 Strength and I have yet to see a miss. Might just be coincidence so far though. kweh.

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Have fun landing that low accuracy WS combo with Chaos Thrust :( I think I might put 23 Dex, 22 Pie, cause I feel like Lancer if gonna have quite a bit of trouble with accuracy. At least from what I've seen so far...

Still parsing 99-100% accuracy with combos/low-acc WSs in an 8-man party against moogles.

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Originally Posted by carraway

Still parsing 99-100% accuracy with combos/low-acc WSs in an 8-man party against moogles.

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I missed a little bit doing the r40 company leves in Treespeak (+4, so level 49), and whenever I tried Chaos, sometimes only 2 or 3 of the hits would land. But it was nothing disgustingly bad.

Also, someone let you do Moogle as lancer? :o I figured we'd fade back into the Archer's shadow, at least on that fight.

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Originally Posted by Ricepudding

Have fun landing that low accuracy WS combo with Chaos Thrust :( I think I might put 23 Dex, 22 Pie, cause I feel like Lancer if gonna have quite a bit of trouble with accuracy. At least from what I've seen so far...

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I have yet to miss a chaos thrust acc is not an issue one bit


I went 23 STR & 22 PIE

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Originally Posted by Silvano

I missed a little bit doing the r40 company leves in Treespeak (+4, so level 49), and whenever I tried Chaos, sometimes only 2 or 3 of the hits would land. But it was nothing disgustingly bad.

Also, someone let you do Moogle as lancer? :o I figured we'd fade back into the Archer's shadow, at least on that fight.

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Still hard to tell what the new flavor will be but right now THM is looking like a powerhouse for damage LNC is still pretty self reliant though so still a good class, Keen Flurry helps a lot for the ridiculously long CDs of Doomspike and Chaos Thrust

piety is primary damage attribute for lancer, not (only) str. just read patch notes.

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Originally Posted by Tano

piety is primary damage attribute for lancer, not (only) str. just read patch notes.

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STR & PTY are listed as Auto Attack modifiers, I don't know how this works for WSs, but if PTY does not affect WS damage then STR is the way to go.

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Originally Posted by Belial

STR & PTY are listed as Auto Attack modifiers, I don't know how this works for WSs, but if PTY does not affect WS damage then STR is the way to go.

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Im thinking it might but not as much as STR for WS and vice versa for AA

A LS buddy of mine did a little bit of testing, it may not be solid info on the matter but STR even outdamages DEX and PIE in WS and AA for ARC, again that testing was done with ARC! The ARC therefore seems to have three stats pushing his damage, while we remain with two - I think that is quite nice. Seems safe to say that STR > PIE on the LNC too (as STR > DEX/PIE on ARC).

But again, i was not the one parsing, my LS buddy was. He was parsing the moogle fight, maybe not the top environment to do those tests, but well i thought you might find that interesting.

Now i'm quite curious about the question where the soft and hardcap for STR lies.

I would just like to go on the record that increase my STR beyond the 250 mark has resulted in almost neglegable gains. I think we might have to start looking at the possibilty of there being a fairly stiff soft cap on these stats now.

Against Ifrit increaing my STR from 250 to 291,

I gained no increase in AA dmg

Doomspike Crit went up 20 points

Nothing else went up noticeably.

i think we need to consider the fact that Piety may play a stronger role than we think and start experimenting with other stats as well.

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Originally Posted by Kiote

I would just like to go on the record that increase my STR beyond the 250 mark has resulted in almost neglegable gains. I think we might have to start looking at the possibilty of there being a fairly stiff soft cap on these stats now.

Against Ifrit increaing my STR from 250 to 291,

I gained no increase in AA dmg

Doomspike Crit went up 20 points

Nothing else went up noticeably.

i think we need to consider the fact that Piety may play a stronger role than we think and start experimenting with other stats as well.

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I hope you're right, I would like to juggle some stats. Haven't done any tests myself though, may do some parsing this evening when I go out to play with MRD.

Piety and Strength aren't just auto-attack modifiers, they affect the Lancer ARMS as well.

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Originally Posted by Tano

piety is primary damage attribute for lancer, not (only) str. just read patch notes.

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Yes, that what I've seen but now they change into "Bonus1" and "Bonus2". : (

I would like to know if Pty affect WS too.
I'm planing to do some test myself too after reaching lv50.

i'm wondering how much damage we do to ifrit now, I can do up to 600 but most are 500-560

My str is 347, pie 235

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Originally Posted by Lebannen

Strength all the way.

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Bad idea bro, at level 43 I had 10 points in dex and i was still missing most of my hits with the full cobalt gear so i was right on level with gear, if you go full strength and ignore the dex nothing will hit, you hit fairly often so missing a regular auto-attack isn't a big deal but when you can't complete a single combo because your second skill ALWAYS misses, its not fun, not fun at all.

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Originally Posted by Zeref

Bad idea bro, at level 43 I had 10 points in dex and i was still missing most of my hits with the full cobalt gear so i was right on level with gear, if you go full strength and ignore the dex nothing will hit, you hit fairly often so missing a regular auto-attack isn't a big deal but when you can't complete a single combo because your second skill ALWAYS misses, its not fun, not fun at all.

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Why are you wearing level 48 Cobalt gear at 43? I really hope you meant Mythril. Otherwise, DEX would only serve a purpose if you solo heavily. If you're like myself and only group for exp, then you simply don't need it as full party buff is all you really need to make accuracy a non-issue.

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Originally Posted by Belial

Why are you wearing level 48 Cobalt gear at 43? I really hope you meant Mythril. Otherwise, DEX would only serve a purpose if you solo heavily. If you're like myself and only group for exp, then you simply don't need it as full party buff is all you really need to make accuracy a non-issue.

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Yeah i meant mythril.

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Originally Posted by Zeref

Yeah i meant mythril.

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k, that makes sense. Have you tried using electrum rings + DEX gear (the rings alone are not enough)?