Shield skill

Did i miss something in patch notes?

http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com...cicuid=9578845

ITS GONE!

Yup, shield actions will be gained by Gladiator instead :D

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Originally Posted by Thanos

Did i miss something in patch notes?

http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com...cicuid=9578845

ITS GONE!

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http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post476417

≪Abolition of the Shield Skill≫
The shield skill has been abolished and reborn as actions and traits learnable by gladiators. As such, all gains associated with the shield skill (levels and EXP) have been rendered invalid.

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Originally Posted by Thanos

Did i miss something in patch notes?

http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com...cicuid=9578845

ITS GONE!

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Thank goodness!

god that means i have to play my gladiator again just to learn it? and why cant my mage learn it? i carry a shield on them

Hey Thanos,

This was announced in early November as a part of the class reforms:

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3. Shield Skill

Not being bound to any class in particular, the shield skill has been handled as an irregularity when it came to the obtainment of experience points and actions. In reviewing the identity of each class, it was decided that shield actions should be made a part of the gladiator arsenal. In order to streamline the system and accentuate class uniqueness, the shield skill will be phased out and instead take the form of actions and traits learnable by gladiators.

Please be aware that the above changes will render all gains associated with the shield skill (levels and EXP) invalid.

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Actions associated with the shield skill (for example Aegis Boon) are now gladiator actions, and not connected to any "shield" class (like Sentinel was before). So there is no need to "level a shield skill" as they are a part of gladiator actions. Looking at your signature, your gladiator is level 50 so... you'll have already earned each shield action that gladiator has. I hope that clears it up!

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

Hey Thanos,

This was announced in early November as a part of the class reforms


Actions associated with the shield skill (for example Aegis Boon) are now gladiator actions, and not connected to any "shield" class (like Sentinel was before). So there is no need to "level a shield skill" as they are a part of gladiator actions. Looking at your signature, your gladiator is level 50 so... you'll have already earned each shield action that gladiator has. I hope that clears it up!

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Didn't I beat you to the punch there Bay? :P

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Originally Posted by Antanias

Didn't I beat you to the punch there Bay? :P

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Nothing wrong with trying to be extra clear, since it seems there was some confusion after your post! (But yes, now I'll stealth delete your post and claim all the credit!)

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

Hey Thanos,

This was announced in early November as a part of the class reforms:


Actions associated with the shield skill (for example Aegis Boon) are now gladiator actions, and not connected to any "shield" class (like Sentinel was before). So there is no need to "level a shield skill" as they are a part of gladiator actions. Looking at your signature, your gladiator is level 50 so... you'll have already earned each shield action that gladiator has. I hope that clears it up!

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Cool people with lvl 50 GLA's won't be affected much B-)

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

Nothing wrong with trying to be extra clear, since it seems there was some confusion after your post! (But yes, now I'll stealth delete your post and claim all the credit!)

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o.O mighty sneaky of ya.

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

Nothing wrong with trying to be extra clear, since it seems there was some confusion after your post! (But yes, now I'll stealth delete your post and claim all the credit!)

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Lol I guess I could've been a little less vague, and would ya look at that...my post is still there >_>

THANKS EVERYONE FOR CLEARING IT UP AND SHOWING ME THAT IM BLIND! LOL

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

Nothing wrong with trying to be extra clear, since it seems there was some confusion after your post! (But yes, now I'll stealth delete your post and claim all the credit!)

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ROFL dont forget to delete this post too else you have outed your malicious intent!

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Originally Posted by Antanias

Where did my post go?!

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

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Originally Posted by Fernehawles

Don't tell him I edited his post. P.S. You're awesome Bayohne!

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Totally innocent.

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*crawls back into a hole*

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Originally Posted by Thanos

god that means i have to play my gladiator again just to learn it? and why cant my mage learn it? i carry a shield on them

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Shield Bash and Outmaneuver aren't exclusive to Gladiator though, so Conjurers and Thaumaturges can still use those two skills!

Edit - Aegis Boon and War Drum are exclusive, but you shouldn't want the latter on mages anyway so it isn't so bad!

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Originally Posted by Fiosha_Maureiba

*crawls back into a hole*

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I see what ya did thar :O

*Off Topic* Iron dude did you get your gil back from buying those arrows, was it a friend for sig purposes or was it really an oh Fu**! I wanna hear this lol!

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Originally Posted by Fiosha_Maureiba

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Sneaky sneaky :3

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

Nothing wrong with trying to be extra clear, since it seems there was some confusion after your post! (But yes, now I'll stealth delete your post and claim all the credit!)

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Haha Thank you Bayohne you sneaky malboro^~^

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l3...konbayohne.jpg

no thanks on those skills on my mages.

and this has turned into a spam topic?

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Originally Posted by Thanos

no thanks on those skills on my mages.

and this has turned into a spam topic?

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Yeah, my fault there....I just HAD to go and trigger Bay's Bad Breath attack :D

Just noticed my Shield level is missing from my sig lol.

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

there is no need to "level a shield skill" as they are a part of gladiator actions.

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Except there is a shield skill to level. It's called Gladiator. Those of us who used to have those skills now have to play Gladiator to get the half of them that haven't been made exclusive.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Except there is a shield skill to level. It's called Gladiator. Those of us who used to have those skills now have to play Gladiator to get the half of them that haven't been made exclusive.

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Mages (the only other classes that use shields) shouldn't need these abilities since they only work when in active mode, and mages should always be in passive mode to regenerate mp anyway. They might come in handy when soloing i guess, but when soloing, you should always be prepared to lvl multiple classes for necessary skills.

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Originally Posted by buritoslicer

Cool people with lvl 50 GLA's won't be affected much B-)

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But people who made the effort to get shield class to 50 although they were just mages..and no gladiators..*sad*

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Originally Posted by Atoli

But people who made the effort to get shield class to 50 although they were just mages..and no gladiators..*sad*

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Except it didn't take any effort, it was just tacked on.

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Originally Posted by Masamune1004

Mages (the only other classes that use shields) shouldn't need these abilities since they only work when in active mode, and mages should always be in passive mode to regenerate mp anyway. They might come in handy when soloing i guess, but when soloing, you should always be prepared to lvl multiple classes for necessary skills.

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Not all "mages" play the same way as you. I found these skills extremely valuable for soloing. Whether you're in active mode or passive mode, that monster you cast a nuke on is going to attack you. You'd be stupid not to be in active mode and blocking with your shield if you have one. It significantly improves survivability in solo situations, and that's what it's there for.

ordinarily I don't have a problem with cross classing skills. But in this case, where we used to have something and it got taken away and now we have to go get it again, I'm extremely bitter. That's really not right.

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Originally Posted by Masamune1004

Except it didn't take any effort, it was just tacked on.

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Originally Posted by Atoli

But people who made the effort to get shield class to 50 although they were just mages..and no gladiators..*sad*

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I'm sorry I gotta agree with Masamune1004... It should have been combined with the Gladiator class from the beginning, If you want your shield again you gotta lvl GLA. Makes perfect sense.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Not all "mages" play the same way as you. I found these skills extremely valuable for soloing. Whether you're in active mode or passive mode, that monster you cast a nuke on is going to attack you. You'd be stupid not to be in active mode and blocking with your shield if you have one. It significantly improves survivability in solo situations, and that's what it's there for.

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Yes, and I acknowlegded the fact that they could be useful solo, but good soloing requires cross-class abilities.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

ordinarily I don't have a problem with cross classing skills. But in this case, where we used to have something and it got taken away and now we have to go get it again, I'm extremely bitter. That's really not right.

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I can see how this might make someone upset, but it's for the better of the game. I'd rather not hold back the potential of this game because some people will lose some abilities. And who knows? Maybe the new mage abilities will be so awesome that you won't need the shield abilities anymore.

So far, it doesn't look that way. On THM Sacrifice is gone, all the astral/umbral magic is gone, and no new survivability tools seem to have taken their place. So that makes two different classes to level up just to be able to move from one fight to the next without a lot of downtime.

Both DoM have undergone massive, radical transformations that may even make gear people had yesterday obsolete.

I realize that the main reason for such sweeping changes was to make each class more unique, but people have their reasons for picking certain classes, and the resulting virtually new class might not live up to those reasons, undoing a lot of work even though that wasn't their intention.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

So far, it doesn't look that way. On THM Sacrifice is gone, all the astral/umbral magic is gone, and no new survivability tools seem to have taken their place. So that makes two different classes to level up just to be able to move from one fight to the next without a lot of downtime.

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Necrogenesis, Parsimony, and Sanguine Rite just conference called, they would like to have a chat with you.

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Originally Posted by Masamune1004

Except it didn't take any effort, it was just tacked on.

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Huh? Not true!
I had to use single hand wands instead of staffs which would have been way more effective:eek:

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Originally Posted by buritoslicer

If you want your shield again you gotta lvl GLA. Makes perfect sense.

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Makes perfect sense, right, because according to SE, mages are not just too dumb to cast while moving, they are obviously even too dumb to equip a shield-
No wait, they can STILL equip a shield, they just don't gain any experience from using it..
That's making as much sense as saying someone doesn't gain any experience from shooting with a bow just because he's dressed like a Knight:rolleyes:
Oh WAIT, SE does that, too..

Me lvling GLA? Not gonna happen.

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Originally Posted by Atoli

Huh? Not true!
I had to use single hand wands instead of staffs which would have been way more effective :eek:

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So you never used the shield skills? Then what was the point of leveling shield? It doesn't give you anything else...

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Originally Posted by Masamune1004

So you never used the shield skills? Then what was the point of leveling shield? It doesn't give you anything else...

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I used the shield skills, but I used them in dungeons and such, not while lvling.
For normal lvling, a staff would have been more useful.
But I had to use a wand during normal lvling too, so my shield lvl would rise for new shield skills to use in dungeons and the like.

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Originally Posted by Atoli

I used the shield skills, but I used them in dungeons and such, not while lvling.
For normal lvling, a staff would have been more useful.
But I had to use a wand during normal lvling too, so my shield lvl would rise for new shield skills to use in dungeons and the like.

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I'll give you that. It just doesn't seem like it's a big deal, especially since you can hit 50 on a battle class in a few days.

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Originally Posted by Masamune1004

I'll give you that. It just doesn't seem like it's a big deal, especially since you can hit 50 on a battle class in a few days.

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But GLA is no battle class I want to lvl :(
Devs were just lazy with balancing, it's not like the shield class broke the game or anything, it was just easier to balance if shield was only for GLA..

The way I see it, at launch, the Gladiator should have never gotten shield skills to begin with. Rampart I & II, Ambidexterity (or at least what it became), and Self-Preservation. Those *should* have been Sentinel skills. And then Gladiator could have gotten some other nifty abilities in between instead.

(Since they had a shield out, they would have earned all those abilities anyway after the first November patch, heheh).

Granted, as a mage, once passive mode casting was initiated, MP recovery, AND emergency switch-to-level-50-job-to-avoid-wipe options were available, active mode didn't seem so great anymore. Before 1.18, I don't think I used as many shield skills as a caster. 1.18, had some difficulty solo'ing leve and Aegis Boon gave some breathing room in those darn Humblehearth leves. 1.19, don't think I've touched a shield skill on my mage.

Ironically, the only reason why I kept the shield in 1.19, was to build up Sentinel to eventually use it on my Gladiator. Until they adjust the passive mode for mages or until Spirit/Phantom Dart become worthwhile moves again, I don't foresee myself using active mode as a mage outside of screen shots.

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I think a lot of people tho are having to get used to things they used to have.
Gladiators using Cover to protect people will be dry until jobs come out.
Lancers with their Speed Surge's melee haste.
Marauders with their Storm's Path for affordable serious AoE damage.

Although I do admit, Thaumaturge seems to have gotten the largest overhaul of all the classes.