Drain: Delete It. Right Now. Bad

What kind of hilarious excuse of an ability is this attack... <.<? My i268 SMN hits 1,048+ and it only gives back 44HP? That's supposed to be a "portion" of its damage returned!?

Am I crazy? Am I glitched?

Fix Drain or give back Blizzard II... Or riot.

How about they give us back sustain to so can heal the pets.

You're crazy, you're hitting a level 1 dummy, they only have 44hp to drain.

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Originally Posted by Cabalabob

You're crazy, you're hitting a level 1 dummy, they only have 44hp to drain.

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Just curious if you've tested it out, what are you getting on average on 60ish mobs?

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Originally Posted by amihavingfunyet

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Thank you! I would do it myself but I'm at work @.@;

http://cdn.funnyisms.com/9491587b-b5...0228e559a7.jpg

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Originally Posted by Magic-Mal

What kind of hilarious excuse of an ability is this attack...

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Well..you saw the people who actually did something. Now, for your next thread I got something to help you out...

http://makeameme.org/media/created/its-a-jump.jpg

Now jump!

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Originally Posted by Leigaon

Just curious if you've tested it out, what are you getting on average on 60ish mobs?

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https://puu.sh/wlHXO/57e8c6ffc7.png

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Originally Posted by Cabalabob

You're crazy, you're hitting a level 1 dummy, they only have 44hp to drain.

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Oooh so that's how it works. Thank you. Good to know that I'm just crazy

It is giving me some noticeable healing on single targets but doesn't come close to keeping up when being hit by more than one. Energy Drain gives more healing. It would be nice to see a buff to Drain but it is better than nothing.

Drain is shite, but it's more because ya can't CC an' bandaid yerself anymore since it's a hit. That's what's annoyin' me. On the plus side I gotta use fer all these potions from Palace o' the Dead I guess.

I'd rather have physic back than drain. I hate that i have to be in a fight in order to cure myself. I hate that i am not able to toss the healer a physic if (s)he's close to death. I hate that i can't cure my chocobo anymore.

Oh and btw. SE pls take erase of BLM's... It is not our job to watch the party list for debuffs and erase them from party members only. OK? Thanks!

if only drain healed 200% of the dmg dealt :o

/facepalm emote

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Originally Posted by Kyouki

I'd rather have physic back than drain. I hate that i have to be in a fight in order to cure myself. I hate that i am not able to toss the healer a physic if (s)he's close to death. I hate that i can't cure my chocobo anymore.

Oh and btw. SE pls take erase of BLM's... It is not our job to watch the party list for debuffs and erase them from party members only. OK? Thanks!

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From what I've seen of the role abilities...

It's now everyone's jobs to provide party support.

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Originally Posted by TaranTatsuuchi

From what I've seen of the role abilities...

It's now everyone's jobs to provide party support.

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Then they should let us erase ourselves too, and not only party members! I don't wanna die because the healer is busy dps'ing while he believes that the blm is responsible to take the debuffs off!

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Originally Posted by Kyouki

Then they should let us erase ourselves too, and not only party members! I don't wanna die because the healer is busy dps'ing while he believes that the blm is responsible to take the debuffs off!

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you think too much. any self respecting healer won't take that skill over other healing/support skills.

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Originally Posted by Kyouki

I'd rather have physic back than drain. I hate that i have to be in a fight in order to cure myself. I hate that i am not able to toss the healer a physic if (s)he's close to death. I hate that i can't cure my chocobo anymore.

Oh and btw. SE pls take erase of BLM's... It is not our job to watch the party list for debuffs and erase them from party members only. OK? Thanks!

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http://i65.tinypic.com/ddlyyq.png

Is this not what you see on BLM? on REDMAGE it has 200 cure potency AND scales of INT. So it is good spell. Maybe just different for black mage?
In a way you could say it HEALS more than Physick did when it scaled of MND stat?

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Originally Posted by Kyouki

I'd rather have physic back than drain. I hate that i have to be in a fight in order to cure myself. I hate that i am not able to toss the healer a physic if (s)he's close to death. I hate that i can't cure my chocobo anymore.

Oh and btw. SE pls take erase of BLM's... It is not our job to watch the party list for debuffs and erase them from party members only. OK? Thanks!

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Yes it is.

Just like its your job to supply mana to a starving healer if theres no bard around.

Just like it was/is your job to apoc a tank on pull.

If you see someones suffering from a status and the healers too busy it becomes your job as a dps to ease the groups problem while dishing out dps.

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Originally Posted by Kyouki

I'd rather have physic back than drain. I hate that i have to be in a fight in order to cure myself. I hate that i am not able to toss the healer a physic if (s)he's close to death. I hate that i can't cure my chocobo anymore.

Oh and btw. SE pls take erase of BLM's... It is not our job to watch the party list for debuffs and erase them from party members only. OK? Thanks!

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So you want the benefit without the responsibilities of healers? Okay.

Welcome to the world of every other DD.

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Originally Posted by Capriana

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Is this not what you see on BLM? on REDMAGE it has 200 cure potency AND scales of INT. So it is good spell. Maybe just different for black mage?
In a way you could say it HEALS more than Physick did when it scaled of MND stat?

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Erase ist for party members only, not for self... That's what bothers me.

To the others: If i wanna keep a party alive and going i queue up as my WHM. Simple as that. As a BLM i really don't wanna keep an eye to debuffs. This is not WoW where a druid can heal, tank and dps... A bit of everything but nothing perfect.

And the funny thing is Erase with its added effect of cure better fits WHM's concept as a "pure healer" rather than what it has in Esuna which only removes a debuff

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Originally Posted by Kyouki

Erase ist for party members only, not for self... That's what bothers me.

To the others: If i wanna keep a party alive and going i queue up as my WHM. Simple as that. As a BLM i really don't wanna keep an eye to debuffs. This is not WoW where a druid can heal, tank and dps... A bit of everything but nothing perfect.

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This so this! I play RDM now and I'm sorry but I won't be using erase nor sacrificing 20% of my mana to a healer. This isn't my role sure I will throw out a res to help the healers out but if I do then Imma need my mana plus a healer should be on the ball you can easily cancel a cast to remove the debuff I should know as I use to main healer.

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Originally Posted by Psycofang

Yes it is.

Just like its your job to supply mana to a starving healer if theres no bard around.

Just like it was/is your job to apoc a tank on pull.

If you see someones suffering from a status and the healers too busy it becomes your job as a dps to ease the groups problem while dishing out dps.

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In a dun scaith I did as a bard prior to the expansion.
I saw doom on two party members, we had a healer down, and the other healer was busy with the kerfuffle going on...

I popped paeon on the other bard, clearing his doom, and...
They didn't cleanse the other player and that player died shortly after....

:/

Oh well, I tried.

The healer might not even have Esuna now. It will happen. So if you have Erase set and they don't have Esuna you're going to feel silly for not helping if it would save a fight.

I wish it was usable on all others, not just party members. It's fine not to be self-castable (it wasn't in FFXI IIRC?) but the devs get a bit tunnel visioned on instanced content - it was nice being able to save random new players dying in FATEs with Physick!

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Originally Posted by hynaku

How about they give us back sustain to so can heal the pets.

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I don't quite understand why so many people even care about Sustain. I am under the impression it had very little uses and you still technically have it as physic. It healed the same potency for the same MP cost, the only difference is it was an insta cast and a regen. In addition, doesn't AoE heals from the party healer also hit the pet? Forgive me if I seem naive to the benefits that were Sustain.

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Originally Posted by Vivi_Bushido

I don't quite understand why so many people even care about Sustain. I am under the impression it had very little uses and you still technically have it as physic. It healed the same potency for the same MP cost, the only difference is it was an insta cast and a regen. In addition, doesn't AoE heals from the party healer also hit the pet? Forgive me if I seem naive to the benefits that were Sustain.

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Physick doesn't scale off of INT for Summoners, so all they can do if their egi gets low in a fight is either let it die and swiftcast out a new one, or try to spam a ~400 heal on it.

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Originally Posted by Vivi_Bushido

I don't quite understand why so many people even care about Sustain. I am under the impression it had very little uses and you still technically have it as physic. It healed the same potency for the same MP cost, the only difference is it was an insta cast and a regen. In addition, doesn't AoE heals from the party healer also hit the pet? Forgive me if I seem naive to the benefits that were Sustain.

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Sustain was a %hp heal over time.

And, as stated, physik scales off summoner's low mind stat.
If it was scaling off int instead, that could be a viable replacement...

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Originally Posted by Magic-Mal

Oooh so that's how it works. Thank you. Good to know that I'm just crazy

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It is an interesting fact but 1100 w/e HP and 1100 damage is still trash for the cast time, if it was an ogcd I can understand but this is a waste of hot bar space while they took out the useful sustain?!?!?!!?!?